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#1 Mr.SmileyASDF

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Posted 04 June 2009 - 08:49 PM

1. If you can, use a Canadian site

2. Do not ship with UPS. They have very high brokerage fees and they try to charge you as much as they can. You should be only shipping it with USPS.

3.Ask the seller to mark the package as a gift. If you are ordering from ANSgear, they will have a little check box that says "Ship as gift" on the checkout form. Some other websites don't have this, so just send them a little message asking them to send it as a gift. This decreases the items worth by $60 CAD.

Ex. You receive a package worth $200 CAD marked as a gift. You will only have to pay duties for $140 CAD*
Ex. You receive a package worth $60 CAD marked as a gift. You will not have to pay duties.

4.If the item is worth less then $20 CAD you will not have to pay duties. However, I have ordered items over $20 from the States and did not get charged duties. You get lucky sometimes, other times you don't. I have always used USPS.

*Canada Post will charge you with a small handling fee if you paid duties on the item. $5-$8.

Edited by Mr.SmileyASDF, 04 June 2009 - 08:52 PM.



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Posted 04 June 2009 - 08:51 PM

USPS is the easiet, and best way to avoid those "Holy shit" i owe you how much for that moments lol.

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:37 PM

Yeah, those have happened to me way too many times.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 07:50 PM

Glad you put this up lol, but some things seem a bit off here.

1. I bought $340 of paintball stuff off of Action Village, a US site. I used UPS and was charged $94 in duties. So what you're saying in the example doesn't make sense to me unless you can make things clearer for me.

2. I read online that orders coming into Canada that are below $40 do not have to pay duties. Not $20. I'm not positive about this but it is reinforced by you saying you've made orders over $20 and not been charged.

And here's something to add as well:

Ask the seller to mark the list price way down when they are shipping the item. This fools the postal services into believing your high priced gear is low priced, therefore lowering the duties you may have to pay.

And just a note: After being hit with those "Holy shit I owe you how much?" moments, I'm sticking to Ebay, Local proshops/stores and Canadian Sites.
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:23 PM

When selling to someone in Canada make sure the item is described as USED paintball equipment, etc. No duty on used stuff.

Edited by Kodiak, 05 June 2009 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 09:26 PM

Glad you put this up lol, but some things seem a bit off here.

1. I bought $340 of paintball stuff off of Action Village, a US site. I used UPS and was charged $94 in duties. So what you're saying in the example doesn't make sense to me unless you can make things clearer for me.

2. I read online that orders coming into Canada that are below $40 do not have to pay duties. Not $20. I'm not positive about this but it is reinforced by you saying you've made orders over $20 and not been charged.

And here's something to add as well:

Ask the seller to mark the list price way down when they are shipping the item. This fools the postal services into believing your high priced gear is low priced, therefore lowering the duties you may have to pay.

And just a note: After being hit with those "Holy shit I owe you how much?" moments, I'm sticking to Ebay, Local proshops/stores and Canadian Sites.

1. UPS charges their own fees. You were not charged $94 in duties. Most of that went to UPS.

2. It says on the Customs Canada website that items below $20 are exempt from customs. Sometimes, whether you get charged customs or not depends on what the customs worker had for breakfast. That is if you ship with USPS, of course.

Marking down the list price is illegal and most respected dealers will not do that for you.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 10:00 PM

Thanks for the clarification; though the dealer who I bought Dow 33, Loctite and Macroline from happily marked the total priced to like, $3.
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Posted 05 June 2009 - 10:31 PM

I ordered a 30$ barrel from rap4 shipped UPS because that was the only method, and I got 42$ in fees :/

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 11:41 PM

How much are duties at the border?
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Posted 06 June 2009 - 02:30 AM

Duties at the border are $5 for handling and 13% of the total cost of the item....YAY!

Okay, heres the best way I find to avoid customs. Have the seller label the package (irregardless of what's in it) as one of the following

"Used paintball gear" - to someone who doesn't know the word "used" instantly means worthless =)
"Paintball jerseys" - It's clothing so they don't care

Also they'll have to list a value, this is sticky if they're insuring it, but if you choose to have no insurance (very much so at your own risk) have the sender label the value as $60, this way it's not too low that it will peak suspicion and they'll likely just send it on through and even if they do tax it you won't have to pay much.

I've pulled in about 2 dozen packages from the US and only got hit by customs on one, and that was 100% the seller's fault. I told him to list it as a $100 value and list as used paintball gear and instead he listed the items as $200 each (3 items) and put "New paintball gear", yeah, guess what, he scored a negative feedback for that stunt, he cost me $110 there.

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 02:33 AM

Well with the Canadian Economy stabilizing a little, plus Oil making the Loonie surge again prices should equalize a bit for us soon.

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 08:07 AM

I'm still a little unclear on how Canada hits you with customs. During what price ranges and circumstance are you applicable for duties?

I get that if you mark it as a gift you subtract $60 from the total value.
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Posted 06 June 2009 - 09:36 AM

I'm still a little unclear on how Canada hits you with customs. During what price ranges and circumstance are you applicable for duties?

I get that if you mark it as a gift you subtract $60 from the total value.


5% GST, 8% PST (for Ontario), and a $5-$8 handling fee (depending on the item)


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Posted 06 June 2009 - 09:50 AM

I'm still a little unclear on how Canada hits you with customs. During what price ranges and circumstance are you applicable for duties?

I get that if you mark it as a gift you subtract $60 from the total value.


5% GST, 8% PST (for Ontario), and a $5-$8 handling fee (depending on the item)


No, I mean I heard that if its below $150 and marked as a gift you don't get charged with customs, is that true.

Is everything charged a duty at the border except items below $20?

This should get stickied

Edited by ChrisB, 06 June 2009 - 09:52 AM.

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:07 AM

so if i'm ordering lets say a new g3...i should ask the seller to put it as a "used gear" and list as like $100? and also use USPS?

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:30 AM

Are you buying it from a store like ANS or from a person?
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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:36 AM

I'm still a little unclear on how Canada hits you with customs. During what price ranges and circumstance are you applicable for duties?

I get that if you mark it as a gift you subtract $60 from the total value.


5% GST, 8% PST (for Ontario), and a $5-$8 handling fee (depending on the item)


No, I mean I heard that if its below $150 and marked as a gift you don't get charged with customs, is that true.

Is everything charged a duty at the border except items below $20?

This should get stickied

Below $60 marked as gift is duty free. Canada doesn't charge duties on everything. They pick some random packages and charge duties on those.

If it's under $20, you won't have to pay duties unless it is on of the following

  • tobacco;
  • books;
  • periodicals;
  • magazines;
  • alcoholic beverages; and
  • goods ordered through a Canadian post office box or a Canadian intermediary.



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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:43 AM

Is there anything illegal about this? Say I marked a 435 US package down as used gear and mark down the price a bit, is there any way I could get in trouble for this?
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Posted 06 June 2009 - 11:24 AM

Is there anything illegal about this? Say I marked a 435 US package down as used gear and mark down the price a bit, is there any way I could get in trouble for this?


I believe you could get in trouble, but it most likely won't happen. Unless you do something stupid like have 500 worth of new stuff and get it marked down as new worth 50, then you might get in trouble.
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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:21 PM

Im from the US and what is a duty like an extra postage fee. Idk just wondering my family works for the usps.
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:18 PM

Im from the US and what is a duty like an extra postage fee. Idk just wondering my family works for the usps.


Duties are an import tax.

If you are traveling to another country by air and return to the US, you will see a desk with Customs or Goods to Declare or something like that in the airport. If you bought anything from that foreign country, you will have to pay a tax on that item.


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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:25 PM

Freaking duties is why I can't order my CP one piece barrel. It's always $30 american, shipping makes it about $50 USD, which is about 65 CAD, then I get hit with duties at my house which I can't afford. :/

And it's called what? North American FREE Trade Agreement? Free? How the hell is me paying $60 for a $65 order FREE?
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Posted 07 June 2009 - 12:58 PM

Freaking duties is why I can't order my CP one piece barrel. It's always $30 american, shipping makes it about $50 USD, which is about 65 CAD, then I get hit with duties at my house which I can't afford. :/

And it's called what? North American FREE Trade Agreement? Free? How the hell is me paying $60 for a $65 order FREE?



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Posted 08 June 2009 - 04:47 PM

Are you buying it from a store like ANS or from a person?

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 02:17 PM

I'm buying 2 soft goods off of PunishersPB for a total of $71 CAD. If I ask them to mark it as a gift, it'd be $11 since $60 is taken off when marked as a gift...

So I wouldn't have to pay anything, right? And yes they're shipping USPS.

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 05:34 PM

You pay $1.43 tax on the $11 and a small surcharge; $5-$8.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 02:43 AM

Sorry about resurrecting this old thread, but have you guys consider this method...

Instead of disguising it as used or gift or whatever, why do you outright declare that the item you are shipping belong to the sender and that he is shipping it up to Canada for repairment/ or for personal use? Here is what I was thinking, say that the stuff you bought are actually stuff your friend (the seller) is sending you for, set say, a scenairo or a tournament he will be attending soon. Or you could say that it is stuff you left behind at your friend's place after a vacation or that you are unable to bring back because your luggage is overfull or you are overly zealous with ATF regulations.

Make it very explicit. Write Sporting Equipment for Tournament or Competition, Repairment, Display, whatever.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 12:21 PM

Sorry about resurrecting this old thread, but have you guys consider this method...

Instead of disguising it as used or gift or whatever, why do you outright declare that the item you are shipping belong to the sender and that he is shipping it up to Canada for repairment/ or for personal use? Here is what I was thinking, say that the stuff you bought are actually stuff your friend (the seller) is sending you for, set say, a scenairo or a tournament he will be attending soon. Or you could say that it is stuff you left behind at your friend's place after a vacation or that you are unable to bring back because your luggage is overfull or you are overly zealous with ATF regulations.

Make it very explicit. Write Sporting Equipment for Tournament or Competition, Repairment, Display, whatever.


That could work, however just checking the "Gift" box is much easier for the sellers (which in some cases are big shops like Punishers, Actionvillage, ANS, etc) as opposed to disguising it as a repair item and such. The sellers don't want to get in trouble for anything, and they don't want you to get in trouble either, so just marking it as a gift and letting it go is probably more convenient to them.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 03:54 PM

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 12:48 AM

That could work, however just checking the "Gift" box is much easier for the sellers (which in some cases are big shops like Punishers, Actionvillage, ANS, etc) as opposed to disguising it as a repair item and such. The sellers don't want to get in trouble for anything, and they don't want you to get in trouble either, so just marking it as a gift and letting it go is probably more convenient to them.


My method is more for used gear you bought from a person. A few years ago, a mp3 player of mine was broken and I have to send it to Oklahoma for repair. I don't recall having to pay any tariffs or customs fees when they send it back.

Also, if your package is small and inconspicuous, you should get by without much problem...
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 12:33 AM

Maybe I should move to the Canadian border and run packages through the border on some back-road. And get paid. That would make me some money.


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Posted 31 August 2009 - 12:42 AM

Maybe I should move to the Canadian border and run packages through the border on some back-road. And get paid. That would make me some money.


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Posted 03 September 2009 - 12:24 AM

Maybe I should move to the Canadian border and run packages through the border on some back-road. And get paid. That would make me some money.


Instead of entering our border illegally, why don't you just be a live-in PO box and have people send their stuff to you? They then come pick it up, shoot it up with paint and stuff, and make it seem used.
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Posted 04 September 2009 - 10:31 AM

Screw all of that.

Over in the states. we are going to build REALLY long tubes that reach from here to Canada.

It will be awesome. you can transport packages, book, money, paintballs, food, water, children. anything!

Or just ship Fedex. i hear they have a reasonable fee. although USPS is run by the government. so its fucked. even though fedex and ups are just as evil and shitty.

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 10:33 AM

Screw all of that.

Over in the states. we are going to build REALLY long tubes that reach from here to Canada.

It will be awesome. you can transport packages, book, money, paintballs, food, water, children. anything!

Or just ship Fedex. i hear they have a reasonable fee. although USPS is run by the government. so its fucked. even though fedex and ups are just as evil and shitty.


Actually, FedEx is worse than USPS for us. USPS hands over our stuff to Canada Post, our postal service, then they deliver it to us. But since they don't have to cross the border we hardly get hit with any fees. FedEx screws us over. So does UPS.
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Posted 06 September 2009 - 12:09 AM


Screw all of that.

Over in the states. we are going to build REALLY long tubes that reach from here to Canada.

It will be awesome. you can transport packages, book, money, paintballs, food, water, children. anything!

Or just ship Fedex. i hear they have a reasonable fee. although USPS is run by the government. so its fucked. even though fedex and ups are just as evil and shitty.


Actually, FedEx is worse than USPS for us. USPS hands over our stuff to Canada Post, our postal service, then they deliver it to us. But since they don't have to cross the border we hardly get hit with any fees. FedEx screws us over. So does UPS.


So the real question is, who DOESN'T fuck you over?

just walk over to the states, seems cheaper and easier.

Poor Canada, almost makes me want to not laugh at your shitty fees. (fees suck)

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 06:58 PM

Duties at the border are $5 for handling and 13% of the total cost of the item....YAY!

Okay, heres the best way I find to avoid customs. Have the seller label the package (irregardless of what's in it) as one of the following

"Used paintball gear" - to someone who doesn't know the word "used" instantly means worthless =)
"Paintball jerseys" - It's clothing so they don't care

Also they'll have to list a value, this is sticky if they're insuring it, but if you choose to have no insurance (very much so at your own risk) have the sender label the value as $60, this way it's not too low that it will peak suspicion and they'll likely just send it on through and even if they do tax it you won't have to pay much.

I've pulled in about 2 dozen packages from the US and only got hit by customs on one, and that was 100% the seller's fault. I told him to list it as a $100 value and list as used paintball gear and instead he listed the items as $200 each (3 items) and put "New paintball gear", yeah, guess what, he scored a negative feedback for that stunt, he cost me $110 there.


Can anyone confirm that clothing will not be going through duties. About to buy a few sets of jerseys.
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Posted 04 October 2009 - 05:16 AM

I ordered a 30$ barrel from rap4 shipped UPS because that was the only method, and I got 42$ in fees :/


Odd i just used rap4 for 150 bucks of stuff with USPS :l 27 dollars for taxes n stuff but that's standard if they catch ya at the border.
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Posted 07 November 2009 - 09:48 AM

Let's say I'm buying a used Mini for $170, and get it shipped USPS marked as a gift and as USED Paintball Equipment. How much would I have to pay for it at the border ? And should I get it marker as Paintball equipment or Sports Equipment




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