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#101 Spitlebug

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 01:08 PM

if anyone here has a PBN account in good standing, i would ask that someone either quote, or summarize the statements me and bryce have made about "sponsorship" and "support"

im not asking you to go to bat for us, but im tired of looking at it.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 02:08 PM

"Supported by" and "Sponsored By" mean two different things. PunkWorks only sponsor is TechPB. PunkWorks as an entity prefers to remain impartial by never profiting from favorable (or unfavorable) testing results. Sometimes input and support from the industry is required for cost or availability reasons, and in such cases PunkWorks remains impartial by giving back or giving away any products received that do not have future testing planned. When a company does allow us to use there products, PunkWorks thanks them by making sure it is known that those companies support our testing. Ninja Paintball gave PunkWorks there regulator for this testing. PunkWorks tested the regulator, then gave the reg away as a prize in PunkWorks next test, the Laning Test. This was to remain impartial and can be seen on the PunkWorksPaintball youtube channel.

Guerrilla Air did not give us anything, so they were not cited as supporters. However, you will notice that has changed. That is becuase (through whatever means) our test has come to the attention of Dan Colby at GA. Yesterday, Dan contacted Bryce about his regulators performance. He said the regulator we tested was defective, and that he would send us a new one to test. Also, Sonney Lopez of LA Hitman fame, talked to Kitty (of British fame) about wanting to get the new G2 myth into our hands for testing. This is why GA was added this morning as supporting PunkWorks.

To insure impartiality, GA is welcome to have both there regulators back after we are done. Otherwise, Kitty has offered to give them away on TechPB radio to viewers.






post that. its the full story.

Edited by cockerpunk, 27 August 2009 - 02:22 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:04 PM

but fix the spelling mistakes :)

and I changed a couple of things - what do you think?

oh, and I can still post over there. was there a thread in which this should be posted?

"Supported by" and "Sponsored By" mean two different things. PunkWorks only sponsor is TechPB. PunkWorks as an entity prefers to remain impartial by never profiting from favorable (or unfavorable) testing results. Sometimes input and support from the industry is required for cost or availability reasons, and in such cases PunkWorks remains impartial by giving back or giving away any products received that are used in head-to head comparison testing. When a company does allow us to use their products, PunkWorks thanks them by making sure it is known that those companies support our testing. Ninja Paintball gave PunkWorks their regulator for this testing. PunkWorks tested the regulator, then gave the reg away as a prize in PunkWorks next test, the Laning Test.

Before the reg test Guerrilla Air did not give us anything, so they were not cited as supporters. However, you will notice that has changed. That is because our test has come to the attention of Dan Colby at GA. Yesterday, Dan contacted Bryce about his regulators performance. He said the regulator we tested was defective, and that he would send us a new one to test. Also, Sonney Lopez of LA Hitman fame, talked to Kitty (of British fame) about wanting to get the new G2 myth into our hands for testing. This is why GA was added this morning as supporting PunkWorks.

To insure impartiality, PunkWorks will not sell or keep the regulators provided by Guerrilla Air.


Edited by brycelarson, 27 August 2009 - 03:05 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:11 PM

http://www.pbnation....=3189517&page=7
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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:16 PM

done.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:24 PM

Beat me to it. Was out to lunch with the bossman today...

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:31 PM

Beat me to it. Was out to lunch with the bossman today...


you have failed me for the last time ...

Edited by cockerpunk, 27 August 2009 - 03:31 PM.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:05 PM

yeah, the way PBN works I'll prob get banned for it - but oh well. better from the source I assume. not that you're not credible Spitle - but I figure that it short cuts the dismissal of the statement that was bound to happen.

but, we're getting off topic. reg testing.

so, with the new GA regs on the way - I plan to replicate the test we already did - but is there anything additional that people would like to see?

Edited by brycelarson, 27 August 2009 - 04:06 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:42 PM

you have failed me for the last time ...


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On a serious note, I went out and bought a Ninja Tank because of this test. Moreover I was actually using a Pure Energy Reg on my existing tank. Yegads. Also, I might add that price was also a big factor. As of late there have been more and more Ninja tanks at my field...

Tried Underboring the other day... :blink:

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 07:01 PM

you have failed me for the last time ...


Nooooo!!!! Lord Vader....

On a serious note, I went out and bought a Ninja Tank because of this test. Moreover I was actually using a Pure Energy Reg on my existing tank. Yegads. Also, I might add that price was also a big factor. As of late there have been more and more Ninja tanks at my field...

Tried Underboring the other day... :blink:


woah, what up man? you have a stroke or something. Just doing whatever we say? :)

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 08:38 PM

No, I needed a new tank anyways. So, all sources point to good company and good data. Moreover the underboring worked flawlessly. I was chronoing at 320fps with the stock one piece 0.691 bores proto barrel. I put the 0.683 bor back on my pipe kit and I went all the way up to 360fps.

Holy poop.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 09:24 PM

No, I needed a new tank anyways. So, all sources point to good company and good data. Moreover the underboring worked flawlessly. I was chronoing at 320fps with the stock one piece 0.691 bores proto barrel. I put the 0.683 bor back on my pipe kit and I went all the way up to 360fps.

Holy poop.


you've seen the math - now you get to see the real world application.

why chrono to 320?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 12:08 AM

Question - the "bum" myth reg in the test video... Was that the one I sent you guys?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 12:19 AM

you've seen the math - now you get to see the real world application.

why chrono to 320?


Mike sends his markers out over velocity in the idea if the marker is shooting higher than normal velocity that the pressure is higher. No leaks + higher pressure = O.K. marker.

Still, I didn't want to fiddle with the reg at all so I could test it at the same settings just to what kind of change there was.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 03:52 AM

is this the new Myth Reg?

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 07:32 AM

Question - the "bum" myth reg in the test video... Was that the one I sent you guys?


yup
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 08:10 AM

is this the new Myth Reg?


no old one - new one is coming. look for results this fall.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:03 AM

This may have been answered already, but I don't have time to read all 6 pages. Why didn't you do a consistency test with all the regulators? Sure, you show the Myth spiking around like it is, but from that I have nothing else to base it on. What were the others like? Was there a reason you didn't fill each up to 3k and record the consistency of the first 20-30 shots? Even though this is still bad statistics, as was the rest of the test (too few samples), it would be good enough for me to get an idea from.
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:08 AM

Check the other 5 pages. You might find your answer there.
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:23 AM

This may have been answered already, but I don't have time to read all 6 pages. Why didn't you do a consistency test with all the regulators? Sure, you show the Myth spiking around like it is, but from that I have nothing else to base it on. What were the others like? Was there a reason you didn't fill each up to 3k and record the consistency of the first 20-30 shots? Even though this is still bad statistics, as was the rest of the test (too few samples), it would be good enough for me to get an idea from.


none of the others showed any difference. the only reason we taped the myth is that it was so unusual. all the others just dropped a bit, and went back to the same place. then obviously they creeped and we measured that.
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:37 AM

I have found the Myth to be sub-par on the 3 I have tested, 2 were the original ones when they were higher priced and the other was the lower priced ones. Dunno if it made much difference since they performed the same, subpar. I still think the design of the myth prevents it from attaining the performance of any larger reg, that and the fact all the ones I tested were 550-600psi which is a killer.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:38 AM

I have found the Myth to be sub-par on the 3 I have tested, 2 were the original ones when they were higher priced and the other was the lower priced ones. Dunno if it made much difference since they performed the same, subpar. I still think the design of the myth prevents it from attaining the performance of any larger reg, that and the fact all the ones I tested were 550-600psi which is a killer.


sup par on recharge or consistency?

can you post the pressure traces?
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:43 AM

In that case I'm looking forward to the test of the new one(s) you get from GA. I wouldn't be surprised to see that it was a faulty reg. I use a Planet inline, so that may smooth things over but with my myth on the gun I get +-2 with decent paint. Like I said, I have no idea if there will be a difference, I'm just curious.

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Check this out, cheap piece of shit (check out the review at the top of the page... seems honest) I know but it's only what, $86? It's 12 bits so it'll give you plenty of resolution for what you're doing: http://www.hytekauto...ts/IUSBDAQ.html
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 11:01 AM

I use a measurement computing DAQ which ran...200 , 6 years ago. Its the transducers that are pricey, cheap ones are 250-300 that are reputable.

Subpar on recharge, and no I don't have the tracings that was when I was just throwing them up and running tests on my software and didn't think to save them.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 04:40 PM

I bought a used tank with myth reg from a friend who used it to play speedball on a team, in other words well used. Can't say that I've noticed any trouble with it but it pings madly. After reading this thread I got curious and put a gage on my asa, fired the marker and observed that the pointer dropped as expected into the 400psi range and slowly (2 seconds) returned to the setpoint of around 650psi. Suspecting the gage I hooked up an old pe 48/3000 tank and verified that the gage is fine (instant return). Called GA and asked about service/rebuild parts, she suggested having a look inside first. So I emptied the tank, disassembled the reg and inspected the innards. The small end of the piston was a bit hammered and the thin wall around the piston seat had started to split, and on the sides of the piston there were some signs of intimacy with the main spring. Called back GA and she offered to send out replacement parts under warranty, more than reasonable!
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Posted 28 August 2009 - 10:48 PM

Well, I got started today. I have five tanks, but one tank is lacking a fill nipple currently, so it is out of the test. I have only two tanks done so far, as I went to work, and ended up working while doing the testing. No one could leave me alone. So I only have two of the remaining four tanks done. I know that some people are going to absolutely freak out when I post up my results of one of the tanks. Actually, I was kind of giggling maniacally when I was recording the results, just knowing how some people are going to react to this.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 11:58 PM

Well, I got started today. I have five tanks, but one tank is lacking a fill nipple currently, so it is out of the test. I have only two tanks done so far, as I went to work, and ended up working while doing the testing. No one could leave me alone. So I only have two of the remaining four tanks done. I know that some people are going to absolutely freak out when I post up my results of one of the tanks. Actually, I was kind of giggling maniacally when I was recording the results, just knowing how some people are going to react to this.


Just take the fill nipple off of one of your other tanks and put it on they fifth one that is missing one. Any fill nipple will work with any tank, just put some teflon tape around the threads and you're good to go.
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Posted 29 August 2009 - 01:43 PM

got the replacement GA reg today - thanks Dan!

Lament - are you replicating our test - or doing something different?

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 09:52 PM

I know, but they don't have any teflon tape at work, and I was without mine at the time. I will bring some with me tomorrow and/or whatever day that I can wrap this up.

Yes, and no. I am doing the fill tank to whatever PSI we are getting (Been between 3800 and 4000 PSI) and letting sit for five minutes, taking outpur pressure readings every 30 seconds. Then, I am bleeding out about 200 PSI at a time, and recording the output pressure. As low as I can get. Seeing as how I am using the tank reg gauge, and another gauge for PSI output readings, I know that I am pretty much eyeballing it, and only so accurate. So you will have to bear with me on this. Also, I am doing this five times per tank. So I can get a much more accurate, to me, average for the readings.

Heh, armchair scientist (Or whatever term was used) indeed... :P

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 07:50 PM

Heh, armchair scientist (Or whatever term was used) indeed... :P


yup, now you're in the game.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 12:27 AM

Have you slapped those guages on the new GA regs yet? I'm curious to see what you get out of em...
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Posted 12 September 2009 - 03:31 PM

got the replacement GA reg today - thanks Dan!

Lament - are you replicating our test - or doing something different?



Sorry about the double post (seperated by several days), did anything happen with this? I would think since GA is one of TechPB's supporters they would want you to clear this up

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Posted 13 September 2009 - 09:31 AM


got the replacement GA reg today - thanks Dan!

Lament - are you replicating our test - or doing something different?



Sorry about the double post (seperated by several days), did anything happen with this? I would think since GA is one of TechPB's supporters they would want you to clear this up


I've been swamped - so no time at the field. I'll be playing next weekend - I'll re-run the test with the new Myth reg and report the results.

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 02:16 PM

Have your thought about doing the same tests with paint (or reballs)?

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 04:41 PM

New Myth results have been posted. video of Myth shooting is under way.

see the same spreadsheets - the new Myth is in yellow

http://spreadsheets....WSQ&output=html

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Posted 19 September 2009 - 10:28 PM

Have your thought about doing the same tests with paint (or reballs)?


Just curious, how would the test be recreated with paint or reballs? They are doing the reg tests on the tanks, checking for creep, checking to see what the output pressure is as the tank looses it's overall pressure.

New Myth results have been posted. video of Myth shooting is under way.

see the same spreadsheets - the new Myth is in yellow

http://spreadsheets....WSQ&output=html


Pretty interesting. I guess that it does, to a degree, go to show what break in can do. As to how much is considered proper break in, or how to actually measure it, I have no idea.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 08:16 AM

Pretty interesting. I guess that it does, to a degree, go to show what break in can do. As to how much is considered proper break in, or how to actually measure it, I have no idea.


Maybe. without more testing over time it really doesn't show much of anything as far as break in. It's possible that this reg will be the same when it's 3 years old - or maybe it'll change after two cases.

here's the video of it firing - it didn't show the pressure changes that the other one did.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 03:01 PM


Have your thought about doing the same tests with paint (or reballs)?


Just curious, how would the test be recreated with paint or reballs? They are doing the reg tests on the tanks, checking for creep, checking to see what the output pressure is as the tank looses it's overall pressure.

New Myth results have been posted. video of Myth shooting is under way.

see the same spreadsheets - the new Myth is in yellow

http://spreadsheets....WSQ&output=html


Pretty interesting. I guess that it does, to a degree, go to show what break in can do. As to how much is considered proper break in, or how to actually measure it, I have no idea.


Testing with paint means less air is being used so its more of a "real world" test.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 06:31 PM

Testing with paint means less air is being used so its more of a "real world" test.


that depends on the gun.

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 06:57 PM

how bout draxxus regs?
any data on those?

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:26 AM

after browsing through the increibly info filled pages of this thread. My suspicions that my GA tank was lacking a bit have been confirmed. cant wait to sell it and get a ninja. or swap the regs at the very least. thanks for all the info guys!!!!
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