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#1 Rathje

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:26 PM

Hey guys.

I've played about five woodsball games and a scenario game. At the scenario, I rolled my ankle. Thankfully, it was the end of the season. But I'm looking at footwear and want to avoid doing that again if possible.

For most of my woodsball games, I just wore some cheap $40 low-top hiking shoes. Not much support or anything, but flexible.

I tend to run a lot, jump fallen trees, run through the brush, hop from rock to rock, that kind of stuff. My light hiking shoes worked pretty good for this.

The last game, I decided to wear my heavy all-leather hiking boots. That was when I rolled my ankle.

I think the problem was that my feet couldn't feel the ground through those thick hiking boots. So it was like having two non-responsive blocks of wood on the ends of my legs. When the boot rolled, it took my ankle with it.

So my theory is that high-top boots actually aren't all that great for woodsball. They work fine for carrying a heavy backpack at slow speeds, but running around the woods? I just don't think they're that great. I think you'd be better off with a lighter shoe that allows your feet to sense the terrain and make all the minor adjustments automatically. I think if I'd been wearing my low tops, I wouldn't have rolled my ankle.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:29 PM

Get a better pair of boots. I recommend Magnum's lineup.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:30 PM

I've only used issue boots (cold weather, goretex lined), for paintball, never had a problem with them. I don't think they're too heavy, but i wear boots on a regular basis and are used to them (plus, they keep my feet dry in the miserable English weather).

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:36 PM

i wear steel toed work boots when playing woodsball
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:52 PM

yea it's why I recommend the Mid's for woodsball

You need ankle support in woodsball, the shoe has got to go over the ankle or you risk injury (as you found out)

Hitops are a bit overkill, but certainly get a good mid

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 02:10 PM

I agree with mike get mid. i actually use mid adidas mid football cleats they lasted me about 6 years of football/paintball play and now they are starting to get a hole in them, need a new pair. The only downside is if there are a lot of rocks , or it is raining, they are not that great since they will slip.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 05:21 PM

I will Attest to the quality Of Magnums boot's they make composite tactical safety boot's that are as light as my sneaker's.

if you play in a florada field thats a bit swamp OTB jungle boots If you know How and why they are ment to be used will rock.

In Canada You want a warm insulating boot for winter and a mid range boot designed for temperate weather the rest of the time.

a few people out here us CF MK5 issue boot's and no one has complaints about them for comfort and price. I wore terra Steal toed work boot's based of the CF mk5 worked great till i wear them into the ground. this kinda boot take's breaking in and getting used to but will keep your feat dry.

if you need Better traction With a Proper thick soled Millitary boot's You Can screw a very short screw into the tread's of a military boot to give them cleats to grip better in many conditions Such as when the field is covered in Ice and snow.

A mid hieght boot Is a good plan keep in mind A military mid height light weight tactical Boot will be water proof and is designed for Combat and fighting Hiking boot's will work but they are designed for a differant purpose

OTB and Magnums are companys i'd start my search.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 05:21 PM

i wear steel toed work boots when playing woodsball


issat advisable? when i run in steel caps, the steel cover actually bites into my foot. Of course, my foot is wider at the tip than most, so it sucks for me.

To the OP. I love wearing heavy boots. And for my personal pref, the higher the ankle brace, the better. It would take you some time to get used to the boots, and you might walk/run awkwardly at first (i know i did) but when it got all natural feeling, i loved it.

And it looks cooler too... :lol:
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 05:32 PM

To the OP, get better boots. I have a pair of steel toe hiking boots I run around the woods in when I play woodsball. They're great for that, they've saved my ankle quite a few times. I have no problems feeling the ground under my feet with them, and they have a steel toe, and they give me awesome ankle support. So get some better hiking boots and you'll be fine.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 08:18 PM

Yeah i would reccomend boots, I just got a pair of Danner Marine Temperate military boots. One reason because the team im on is Mil-sim for the mostpart and we need the tan boots for uniform. $205 but no joke these are the most comfortable boots ive ever worn (and ive worn quite a few. Waterproof, lined with Gore-Tex, 1 year warrenty which holds for anything that happends to the boot. But yeah i would co with some sort of combat boot or tactical boot.
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 10:29 PM

I wear Bates Lites for Winterball. They are all leather lowers and nylon uppers but with thinsulate, GoreTex and SnowSeal waterproofing :

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I use these for work also [Prison SRT] and never rolled an ankle in them..

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 04:12 PM

One thing about big boots- good fucking exercise.

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Posted 03 January 2010 - 04:25 PM

i'd rather be a bit slower and not risk injury when not looking where im running.

getting shot = 10 minute break
hurting foot = 1-7 day break
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Posted 03 January 2010 - 06:00 PM

i'd rather be a bit slower and not risk injury when not looking where im running.

getting shot = 10 minute break
hurting foot = 1-7 day break


Cocker punk brings up a good point.

what ever boot's you choise to buy treat them properly and polish them regularly they don't have to be parade gloss but well maintained boot's last longer.
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 09:44 AM

I'm sorry to resurrect my own thread here, but I don't feel like the question got answered really.

Few things here:

1. The boots I rolled my ankle in were "good boots" - they covered the ankle, all-leather, good fit. But I STILL rolled my ankle in them - a problem I never had with my cheap low-top hiking shoes.

2. I don't care about the weight issue. I don't mind carrying extra weight. What I mind is how heavy boots encase your foot with a thick layer of rubber sole and make it so your feet can't feel the ground and make adjustments. I'm pretty sure-footed generally. I never had problems with thin flexible low-tops that didn't have a thick sole. It was only when I encased everything in a thick protective layer that I rolled my ankle for the first time.

I don't know what law enforcement, or modern combat boots are like on the feet. But I've tried on plenty of hunting boots, and they feel really crappy for this sort of thing. Hunters don't usually run. They move at a fairly slow pace, over rough terrain, with heavy loads. The boots are not designed to run at all. Heavy hiking boots are also not meant for running. They are meant for a person slowly plodding along with a 60 lb pack and rough ground to cover. Combat boots may be a different story, but I don't have enough money to buy a pair of $100 plus boots JUST for paintball. And I'm suspicious of thick boots anyway.

What I'm thinking would work best in my situation is a pair of lightweight trail running shoes - the kind used by joggers who run on mountain trails. Good traction, adequate foot protection, and a good feel for the rocks, branches and ground you are running on. I really do think the only thing that wrapping my feet and ankles up in a thick layer of protection did was make it so I couldn't respond to the ground - and that's why I rolled my ankle.

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 08:08 AM

Rathje, the boots are not the ultimate solution to avoid an injury. <BR><BR>If you are unlucky then you are unlucky. I wear heavy leather military boots (got used to them) and I rolled my ankle too in a very bad way (jumped the log but there was a crack in the rock I couldn´t see, lol). Couldn´t walk 2 wks, out of paintball for 4 months. I still am thankful to my "heavy slow" boots, because doctor told me, he rarely see so wasted ankle without really serious injury - he told me most probably the ankle would be broken and couple of smaller bones stattered if I did not wear boots. <BR>Asnwer to yourself these questions:<BR>- how much time&nbsp;"light shoes"&nbsp;really save? Woodsball is so different from speedball - what is the weight difference between 1 full pod of paintballs&nbsp;and difference between lightest cleats and heaviest boots?<BR>- trail running shoes might be an option, still, runners do concentrate on running (wearing T-s and shorts) while woodsballer concentrates od surroundings (and is fully dressed and wears a lot of equipment).<BR>- basically, woodsball is more or less close to what soldiers do, like it or not. Ergo, I would wear what they do, I guess they know the stuff ;)<BR><BR>My recommendation would be to have something which is (sorted by improtance):<BR><BR>A/ safe - good ankle support and protection from all the stabbing rubbish nature is full of <IMG class=bbc_emoticon alt=:) src="http://www.techpb.co...ile.gif"><BR>B/ waterproof - quit playing or feeling uncomfortable just becuse grass is wet, getting shot just because mud is in the way? Hell, no!<BR>C/ light - why not<BR>D/ kik-azz sick looking<BR><BR>Hope that helps and&nbsp;good luck in your finding the best footwear!

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Posted 29 April 2010 - 10:02 AM

I wear magnum v-lites. In my opinion the best boots out there. I live in the humid lakes area of Minnesota and these boots have gone through 100% humidity days with mud everywhere. I've had plenty of chances to roll ankles but I've been lucky so far. These boots are designed for military use so heavy wear and extreme conditions are taken into account during design. They are extremely light and come in multiple designs: shoe like, 6" (ankle), 8"? (high ankle). I have the 6" boots and Ill never give em up!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:05 AM

I know what hes saying I also like to be able to feel the ground under me. What ever style of shoe you choose make sure its a good fit. Movement in the heel of the shoe is accountable for most ankle sprains and ankle rolls. Even when you roll that will help prevent serious damage.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:07 AM

For a shoe that has a beeter feel of the ground but not as much ankle support try wrapping your ankles this will give you good ankle support

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:12 AM

You should also strenghthen the muscles around your ankle. Writing the alphabet in the air with you big toe while you just chilling. Its easy and effective. And wear what you are most comfortable and be aware of you surroundings when playing

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:02 AM

You should also strenghthen the muscles around your ankle. Writing the alphabet in the air with you big toe while you just chilling. Its easy and effective. And wear what you are most comfortable and be aware of you surroundings when playing

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:29 AM

I wear Adidas GSG 9.2's when I play, they are pricy, but worth every penny. It's like having a cross trainer combined with a military boot upper. Completely waterproof, light weight, and comfy as all get out.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:57 AM

I wear Sketcher Boots when I'm out in the woods. Works great, they are tough boots and are comfortable to wear up and down the hills, they're not to heavy like steel toe. Also unless your wearing a full size boot(like military style) I suggest wearing some ankle support under your boot, To help prevent rolling your ankle.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

I wear high ankle Rocky's from Dick's (got a pair that was returned for $69, these retail for around $200, but you can find them on sale for around 130...)

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I've been wearing the same pair for about 6 years now. The hard plastic tip really saves them when you are crawling around, and I have never twisted or sprained my ankles when wearing them, and I run quite often. The best part is I can go into the water even in the middle of winter, and they never leak, and my feet always stay warm.

I wouldn't play without wearing boots like this at my field, way too many places where you can sprain your ankle...

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

Hiking boots seem to be a nice blend of not being too heavy and providing good support. I rolled my ankle at the gym in early February, so I've been playing really tentatively this season. I haven't had any issue with hiking boots though.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:07 AM

Too each his own- but i've found that too much support hold me back. First, and what concerns me the most, is i get a little lazy and can't really feel what i'm doing. My feet/steps get careless and i actually roll ankles, trip and stub myself more with high top/heavy boots. Secondly, i definitely fatigue more quickly.
I actually wear a pair of hiking shoes from inov8. They're insanely light, i think the lightest out there. Literally. And low-cut. Makes me more nimble and i pay closer attention to where i put my feet and how i do so. I make sure i'm getting feedback from the terrain through my feet as much as i use my other senses to enjoy the ensuing madness. Plus, when i need to peace out- i feel light and ready to move. I've also found that over time, with the freedom to move and balance without aid, my ankles and feet have gotten much stronger.

Again, this is just me and may not work for other folks. But my 2 cents nonetheless.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:11 AM

I wear trail running shoes. Aggressive tread but still lightweight. Plus its nice being able to run on concrete or tar without slipping like what happens with some cleats.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

make sure to get comfy boots, my boots weren't comfy and made my feet ache after every day of woodballs

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:57 AM

So when I go backpacking I definately do a lot of downhill trailrunning, both with and without pack, and I know it's probably dangerous as hell, but my packing shoes are low tops. It wasn't so easy to find low top waterproof hiking shoes, but they work great for me. I think if you know what you're doing, and you are paying attention to where you put your feet (which you should be) then low tops are an asset. They grant you the flexibility to plant your foot where you need it when you need it without any compromise. At the oregon big game a few weeks ago I decided to go with my DVS snowskate shoes. There didn't turn out to be any water, or cold, but they performed perfectly for tromping through the forest and jungle, and let me say when I bound, I bound for serious, regardless of the terrain. I think tall boots are totally unnecessary if you have the agility to run low tops. I don't recommend running shoes though, I find they get pwned pretty easily when subjected to a lot of off trail.

My one pro tip for running low tops is don't tie them too tightly. I have always kept mine fairly loose so that if there is a roll, the shoe can roll a bit without taking my foot all the way. In fact the only time I've had an ankle problem was when I tied my shoes extra tight at a trampoline gym, and I knew after it happened that if I left my shoes loose it would have been fine.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:37 PM

I hate to say this but if you never wore bots before you need to try on alot of different ones. As a skater i got use to the low cut shoes, i know for a fact skating is more prone to ankle injuries than running up a hill. My suggestion is to try a lot on. Just because people say these or those are the best doesnt mean they work for you. I prefer a high quality cleat than boots.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

You should also strenghthen the muscles around your ankle. Writing the alphabet in the air with you big toe while you just chilling. Its easy and effective. And wear what you are most comfortable and be aware of you surroundings when playing


I dont know where you herd that but, that doesnt work......

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

I dont know about yall but i always wear cleats no matter what im playing. I have found cleats to work really good in the woods especially on hills and where i need good traction.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:10 AM

Since people dragged this thread up, and since things seem slow here - an update.

I went back to low top hiking/trail running shoes and haven't had any problems since. I doubt I'll ever go back to heavy boots - with as much as I run, they just increase my risk of injury.
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Posted 15 June 2013 - 11:44 AM

I would go on batesfootwear.com look at the lites and the rat rough terrain boot there a little expensive but last a long time

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:36 PM

I like some sort of a hiking book. My ankle rolls pretty easy from an old injury. So I prefer the ankle protection. I don't have a problem running in boots never have.




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