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Posted 14 February 2010 - 02:38 PM

I am getting into pump after playing semi my whole paintballing life. I am stuck between the Azodin Kaos Pump and the SL-68 2. Just say which is better and why. Please do not recommend any Check It Products guns. Nothing against the Check It guns I just like the aesthetics of the other two guns better.
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 03:18 PM

Look at the thread only a few spots down. Exact same thread. Here's link http://www.techpb.co...showtopic=78176



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Posted 14 February 2010 - 04:31 PM

get the AKP. its smoother and you can put a new barrel, feedneck, ect.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 04:46 PM

Azodin Kaos Pump:
Pros:
  • easily upgraded
  • cocker threaded barrel
  • ion threaded feed neck
  • (preference) Hitman mod
Cons:
  • need to buy a spring kit to stop the farting
  • Can never be up to par with a high end sniper
  • Reports of pump arm snapping
  • (for me) uncomfortable pump handle
Tippmann sl-68 II:
Pros:
  • light
  • durable
  • quite small
Cons:
  • Unstandard parts
  • no trigger shoe
  • slip fit barrel
  • Basically unremovable ASA
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 07:17 PM

I personally like the sl68 ii. The thing is as tough as nails. It's also one of those guns even the old farts will recogise. The new sl68's are way better than the old ones. Tippmann owns the industry in durability. The kaos is a little cheap. Also, if you're looking for accuracy and quietness, look at a phantom. A direct feed with the backbottle will out shoot any sl68 or kaos. And it's only like 40 bucks more
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 07:30 PM

Go for the SL-68II unless you feel you're going to be shooting a lot OC pump-wise.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 08:24 PM

why can't an AKP compete with higher end snipers?

i shoot my KP in preference to more expensive snipers.
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 08:46 PM

Hinge trigger frame :)

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:41 PM

Go for the SL-68II unless you feel you're going to be shooting a lot OC pump-wise.

What is OC pump-wise?

Also think of price because I am 13 and can't get a job.
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Posted 14 February 2010 - 11:19 PM

oc stands for open class

get the akp it farts in the sl68s face

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 01:07 AM

open class

get the akp it farts in the sl68s face

There both open class guns.
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 07:06 AM

I dont like the tippy pump gun. I dont know. I liked my AKP.

And I know you didnt want people to say this but.... Check it pwns all.. :lol:
If you buy one then later on the looks really bother you, you can buy new bodys, frames, pump kits, regs, asas, barrels. Or you can half block it, mini it, just mill it how you like it, anno it, or laser it.

I dont know.. I would get the check it just because if you buy it you can have a base to go off for the rest of your paintball life and you wont need to buy a whole new gun. Just swap out parts whenever you want.

Either way, All the guns are going to shoot 300 fps so it all comes down to what you like.
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:11 AM


open class

get the akp it farts in the sl68s face

There both open class guns.


he asked what oc stands for
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 06:50 PM

Hinge trigger frame :)


it has a single frame. hinge or slider really doesn't matter, trigger frame doesn't really matter in the first place.
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 08:43 PM

I would like to see listed out how the AKP is superior then the SL-68II.


-Smoother Pump kit
-Barrel variety
-Can be regged
-Lighter
-Cheaper

those are the ones i can think of... but i voted sl-68 II

Personally i enjoyed using the my Sl-68 II for the brief stint that i had it, but it was just too loud and a bit heavy for my taste

the thing about my list is that, none of those things really effect how the gun shoots, you can sit here and argue all day that barrels make you more accurate but i'll point you over to the punk works forum and they have something different to say about that...

Arguing my own points

-Have you used an sl-68 II, the pump stroke is smooth enough, not near the AKP, but it gets the job done and well
-Who needs a new barrel when the stock one shoots money (phantoms any one?)
-Preference thing
-Quality is cheaper in the long run, on the money spent on a new barrel, or other upgrade or REAPAIRING your gun, you'll have spent as much as you did on the Sl-68 II

Now i already know your gonna argue and say things like

"you can't even upgrade the sl"

well, sorry but there is no need to, it is what it is and it shoots as good as any gun out there

"You can't underbore with the sl"

I'm sure if you want to, some on on MCB will bore your barrel for inserts, but your playing open class pump, efficiency isn't really that much of an issue here

The one few thing the Sl does have that the AKP does not, out of the box are Auto trigger, and a single trigger... two things a lot of pumper like, plus it is the most reliable gun out

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 08:57 PM



open class

get the akp it farts in the sl68s face

There both open class guns.


he asked what oc stands for

Oh sorry dude.
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 09:00 PM


I would like to see listed out how the AKP is superior then the SL-68II.


-Smoother Pump kit
-Barrel variety
-Can be regged
-Lighter
-Cheaper

those are the ones i can think of... but i voted sl-68 II

Personally i enjoyed using the my Sl-68 II for the brief stint that i had it, but it was just too loud and a bit heavy for my taste

the thing about my list is that, none of those things really effect how the gun shoots, you can sit here and argue all day that barrels make you more accurate but i'll point you over to the punk works forum and they have something different to say about that...

Arguing my own points

-Have you used an sl-68 II, the pump stroke is smooth enough, not near the AKP, but it gets the job done and well
-Who needs a new barrel when the stock one shoots money (phantoms any one?)
-Preference thing
-Quality is cheaper in the long run, on the money spent on a new barrel, or other upgrade or REAPAIRING your gun, you'll have spent as much as you did on the Sl-68 II

Now i already know your gonna argue and say things like

"you can't even upgrade the sl"

well, sorry but there is no need to, it is what it is and it shoots as good as any gun out there

"You can't underbore with the sl"

I'm sure if you want to, some on on MCB will bore your barrel for inserts, but your playing open class pump, efficiency isn't really that much of an issue here

The one few thing the Sl does have that the AKP does not, out of the box are Auto trigger, and a single trigger... two things a lot of pumper like, plus it is the most reliable gun out

Nice argument. So far I think I am going to get the SL but not enough money yet, so keep posting.
Can't you just use those O-Ring underbore things if you want to prevent rollouts?

Edited by tryinmybest, 15 February 2010 - 09:03 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 09:02 PM

I dont like the tippy pump gun. I dont know. I liked my AKP.

And I know you didnt want people to say this but.... Check it pwns all.. :lol:
If you buy one then later on the looks really bother you, you can buy new bodys, frames, pump kits, regs, asas, barrels. Or you can half block it, mini it, just mill it how you like it, anno it, or laser it.

I dont know.. I would get the check it just because if you buy it you can have a base to go off for the rest of your paintball life and you wont need to buy a whole new gun. Just swap out parts whenever you want.

Either way, All the guns are going to shoot 300 fps so it all comes down to what you like.
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That is true but then I will just want to upgrade the hell out of it and I don't need to be doing that. (I.E. I have no self control on money{seriously!!!})
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Posted 15 February 2010 - 09:02 PM

Well, to put it bluntly, the SL-68II is a rock. Nothing to break on it, at all. It costs more, but it will pay off as you won't need to buy any "upgrades".

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 11:14 PM

I believe the SL has a foam detent that stops the ball from rolling out similar to the 98 customs it's an orangish color

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 12:07 AM

Well, to put it bluntly, the SL-68II is a rock. Nothing to break on it, at all. It costs more, but it will pay off as you won't need to buy any "upgrades".


lets not mistake "doesn't need any upgrades" with "impossible to upgrade"

have fun changing anything about the SL68II. whereas you can change anything you want to about the azodin basically.

the tippman certainly needs a new barrel, like every gun. it needs a small barrel to prevent rollouts, and you have about 0% chance of every getting one for your SL. whereas the azodin triad system works with many of the larger and medium paintballs. its also autococker threaded, so it works with any of the underbore and kit options out there.

i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 12:13 AM

i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.


Can you drop it off a cliff? :lol:

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 12:20 AM



i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.


Can you drop it off a cliff? :lol:


yeah, its made of better aluminum then the SL68II is.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 01:14 AM


Well, to put it bluntly, the SL-68II is a rock. Nothing to break on it, at all. It costs more, but it will pay off as you won't need to buy any "upgrades".


lets not mistake "doesn't need any upgrades" with "impossible to upgrade"

have fun changing anything about the SL68II. whereas you can change anything you want to about the azodin basically.

the tippman certainly needs a new barrel, like every gun. it needs a small barrel to prevent rollouts, and you have about 0% chance of every getting one for your SL. whereas the azodin triad system works with many of the larger and medium paintballs. its also autococker threaded, so it works with any of the underbore and kit options out there.

i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.

Again can't you use those O-Ring detent thingies that go behind barrel and prevent roll outs? I like a gun that has minimum upgrades because than I know I can't break my wallet on upgrades where as the AKP you can spend a ton of money on upgrades which is not good for me. J&J makes a barrel for the Tippmann.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 01:57 AM



Well, to put it bluntly, the SL-68II is a rock. Nothing to break on it, at all. It costs more, but it will pay off as you won't need to buy any "upgrades".


lets not mistake "doesn't need any upgrades" with "impossible to upgrade"

have fun changing anything about the SL68II. whereas you can change anything you want to about the azodin basically.

the tippman certainly needs a new barrel, like every gun. it needs a small barrel to prevent rollouts, and you have about 0% chance of every getting one for your SL. whereas the azodin triad system works with many of the larger and medium paintballs. its also autococker threaded, so it works with any of the underbore and kit options out there.

i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.

Again can't you use those O-Ring detent thingies that go behind barrel and prevent roll outs? I like a gun that has minimum upgrades because than I know I can't break my wallet on upgrades where as the AKP you can spend a ton of money on upgrades which is not good for me. J&J makes a barrel for the Tippmann.


no, it doesn't take detent rings.

why does "it can take upgrades" means "you must upgrade it?" just because it can, doesn't mean you need to spend the money on them. it just means that you wont grow out of the gun as easily.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 06:45 PM



i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.


Can you drop it off a cliff? :lol:


yeah, its made of better aluminum then the SL68II is.


hold them by the barrel and smash them into eachother, my money says the AKP explodes, and the sl might get a dent, it is a much thicker aluminum if it wasn't it wouldn't be so damn heavy

Can any one confirm or deny if the sl has the foam detent like every other tippmann does?

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 06:56 PM

I do not think it does. If it did, it would probably say that it does in the product guide.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 07:46 PM




Well, to put it bluntly, the SL-68II is a rock. Nothing to break on it, at all. It costs more, but it will pay off as you won't need to buy any "upgrades".


lets not mistake "doesn't need any upgrades" with "impossible to upgrade"

have fun changing anything about the SL68II. whereas you can change anything you want to about the azodin basically.

the tippman certainly needs a new barrel, like every gun. it needs a small barrel to prevent rollouts, and you have about 0% chance of every getting one for your SL. whereas the azodin triad system works with many of the larger and medium paintballs. its also autococker threaded, so it works with any of the underbore and kit options out there.

i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.

Again can't you use those O-Ring detent thingies that go behind barrel and prevent roll outs? I like a gun that has minimum upgrades because than I know I can't break my wallet on upgrades where as the AKP you can spend a ton of money on upgrades which is not good for me. J&J makes a barrel for the Tippmann.


no, it doesn't take detent rings.

why does "it can take upgrades" means "you must upgrade it?" just because it can, doesn't mean you need to spend the money on them. it just means that you wont grow out of the gun as easily.

Ya dude, in my case it does mean that I have to upgrade it because like I said before I have no self control over money.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 07:50 PM

I do not think it does. If it did, it would probably say that it does in the product guide.
http://www.tippmann....category=SL68II

It might because it doesn't say the A5 has the foam detent thingy and I know the A5 has it.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 08:57 PM

Well on a pump that would be a good selling point, so they would have to be pretty stupid not to put that up there.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 08:58 PM


I do not think it does. If it did, it would probably say that it does in the product guide.
http://www.tippmann....category=SL68II

It might because it doesn't say the A5 has the foam detent thingy and I know the A5 has it.


it says it's a poppet valve :blink:

"Action: Poppet Valve"

shows up top right of the stuff after you click 'specification'

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:02 PM

well it is a nelson.
so it is kind of a poppet.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:04 PM

Hmm i guess i just always thought of it as a nelson but i didn't realise it's essentially the same thing as a poppet
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:07 PM

yeah, well they might have said that just for the semi players benefits.

most of the new school guys don't know what a nelson valve is. :lol:

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:11 PM

detents are for open bolt markers. pumps aren't - therefore it wouldn't do any good.

pretty much any mechanical gun is a poppet - that means that a hammer bangs open a valve. both nelson and sheridan have a poppet valve - they're just activated slightly differently

I think the Asodin is a better gun. Lots of people had SL68s when that's what was available. most of them graduate out of them later. they simply aren't all that refined. I much prefer machined aluminum to cast - it's tougher and won't crack.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:44 PM




i think its a no brainier for the AKP. its better in every possible way.


Can you drop it off a cliff? :lol:


yeah, its made of better aluminum then the SL68II is.


hold them by the barrel and smash them into eachother, my money says the AKP explodes, and the sl might get a dent, it is a much thicker aluminum if it wasn't it wouldn't be so damn heavy

Can any one confirm or deny if the sl has the foam detent like every other tippmann does?


oh so now the SL68 is heavy?

:lol:

the sl is made from "pot metal" which is laymen terms for cast eutectic aluminum. cast aluminum happens to be very porous, quite brittle, and over all is not used because of these downsides. this is why tippman guns are not anodized, because the aluminum is not of high enough quality to oxidize properly.

6061 is lighter and stronger. its also much more expensive to mill a body then to cast one out of aluminum.

azodin defiantly has a higher "build quality" then an sl68.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:45 PM

AGGGGGG! ! ! I am so confused, to much technical terms (no names{cockerpunk,COUGH COUGH}). Whatever though I still don't know which gun to get because we got a lot of people supporting each gun and then the Punk Works guys are pushing the AKP. I think the SL has better aesthetics and ergonomics because of the single trigger and clamping feedneck but the AKP has detents and you can customize it.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:46 PM

AGGGGGG! ! ! I am so confused, to much technical terms. Whatever though I still don't know which gun to get because we got a lot of people supporting each gun and then the Punk Works guys are pushing the AKP. I think the SL has better aesthetics and ergonomics because of the single trigger and clamping feedneck but the AKP has detents and you can customize it.


the AKP comes with a single trigger as an option and has a clamping feedneck that works fine - but if you get really picky you can remove it and replace it with a different one.

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 09:53 PM

Just get the KP. If the double trigger really bugs you just get a single trigger. The SL is a good gun but not even close to the KP in terms of performance. It's a crowd pleaser IMO. It's good for tippmann fans and that's the only reason it's so expensive imo.
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:15 PM


AGGGGGG! ! ! I am so confused, to much technical terms. Whatever though I still don't know which gun to get because we got a lot of people supporting each gun and then the Punk Works guys are pushing the AKP. I think the SL has better aesthetics and ergonomics because of the single trigger and clamping feedneck but the AKP has detents and you can customize it.


the AKP comes with a single trigger as an option and has a clamping feedneck that works fine - but if you get really picky you can remove it and replace it with a different one.

I have an Azodin Blitz currently and I know the feedneck works OK. I might go with the AKP because I have had guns from both companies and I personally think my Azodin gun is better, but then again I had a Blitz from Azodin and an A5 so there really out of eachothers league's. Any way the AKP seems way better now. When I think about it the customization is actually a plus because, like cockerpunk said, I won't outgrow it as fast and I will have more money because I currently play semi and I won't spend as much money on paint as I do know. Then I can keep the upgrades and use it for another gun. Know my mind is set on the AKP. (I can't make up my mind easily as you can probably tell)
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:20 PM

(I can't make up my mind easily as you can probably tell)

Don't worry bro, it's a problem that haunts all us pump players.
you certainly wont be disappointed by the azodin kaos pump

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Posted 16 February 2010 - 11:51 PM

azodin defiantly has a higher "build quality" then an sl68.

so lets see punkworks do this caveman test :P

the thinness of a higher quality aluminum makes me think the AKP would dent before the sl would crack

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 09:27 AM


azodin defiantly has a higher "build quality" then an sl68.

so lets see punkworks do this caveman test :P

the thinness of a higher quality aluminum makes me think the AKP would dent before the sl would crack


send us one of each and we'll smash them good.

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 04:57 PM

I have an old sl-68, do you guys still have your AKP? if your soo confident :dodgy:

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Posted 17 February 2010 - 05:06 PM

cast aluminum is probably a bit harder, but that means its more brittle and ultimately weaker.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:53 AM

I believe the SL has a foam detent that stops the ball from rolling out similar to the 98 customs it's an orangish color



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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:56 AM

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Posted 12 July 2014 - 01:02 PM

Get a AKP, trust me i have one and it is amazing and super upgradeable



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Posted 13 July 2014 - 10:03 AM

I have both. The KPII Is a smoother shooting pump and far easier to upgrade. It's a fun little shooter and one I don't for see selling. It works well for a general play gun.


That being said my gen 2 SL68II. Is still my hands down Favorite pump. It's far simpler design means no worries about failures, its construction is bullet proof. It's more compact and arguably more comfy. I upgraded my SL68II with a custom ordered Brass Barrel from Palmers pursuit in a .680 bore (to fight against roll outs) and in my opinion that's the ONLY thing this gun needs. And in a pinch this done even has auto trigger.

Just relished this was an ancient post that some one bumped. My bad.

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Posted 13 July 2014 - 08:56 PM

This thread is 4 years old. I hope he bought something by now.


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