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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:40 PM

Should i get a speedball gun or get a x7 phenom for $280 for my a guy on my paintball team

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 01:24 PM

Speed ball marker seeing as you can use it in the woods or on the speedball field but the phenom wouldn't work out well on a speedball field.
Plus there's more modes in a speedball marker.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 02:47 PM

Speedball marker

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:26 PM

I know how a speedball gun is in the woods but each time i use my proto martix rail it always break down and doesn't work also i am just sick of having to fix it so i think i might go for the tippmann but still don't know

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:33 PM

If you already have a speedball gun, an don't need any other gear, why not? I'm actually considering buying an X7 Phenom just for the heck of it.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:37 PM

If you already have a speedball gun, an don't need any other gear, why not? I'm actually considering buying an X7 Phenom just for the heck of it.


well i am selling it after i sending it back to proto so if you have any friends looking for a gun tell but i first need to read the techpb rules on selling or trading anything.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:46 PM

save your money and sell the proto and buy something better ;) you'll like it alot better than a tippmann.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:56 PM

but hears the thing i can get the x7 phenom for 280 brand new w/ folding stock

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 03:59 PM

but i could get the new proto rail hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:02 PM

Or you could buy a g3, etek 3, or used marq.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:09 PM

Or you could buy a g3, etek 3, or used marq.

my brother won't let me get the g3 and i don't have $500s or more.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:14 PM


Or you could buy a g3, etek 3, or used marq.

my brother won't let me get the g3 and i don't have $500s or more.



your brother wont let you get a g3 why? and etek3 is $475 and used marqs can be anywhere from like 250 to 400.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:19 PM



Or you could buy a g3, etek 3, or used marq.

my brother won't let me get the g3 and i don't have $500s or more.



your brother wont let you get a g3 why? and etek3 is $475 and used marqs can be anywhere from like 250 to 400.


my brother and i both aren't a big fan of turning around the trigger and it doesn't fit in my hand
also i haven't seen any marqs or the etek 3 for any lower than $475 and i don't have enough money too buy those two guns

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:24 PM

Well the G3 doesn't have a turn-able trigger.. and the g3 is probobly the third smallest gun on the market. only firsted by the mini and the goblin.
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Thats a marq for 255 if you look around ebay/the bst you can find them cheap
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:30 PM

i believe that the Rev-i is the gun that has the turning trigger that you are thinking about. it is also marketed by DP

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:47 PM

i believe that the Rev-i is the gun that has the turning trigger that you are thinking about. it is also marketed by DP


sorry got those mixed up
but the g3 just doesn't fit in my hands
i am only 13

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:51 PM


i believe that the Rev-i is the gun that has the turning trigger that you are thinking about. it is also marketed by DP


sorry got those mixed up
but the g3 just doesn't fit in my hands
i am only 13


If the G3 doesn't fit in your hands, then the only thing that will is a Mini or a Goblin.
The PMR is larger than the G3 also.
Since you obviously don't want a G3, how about an Ego 7? Or a Timmy?

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:56 PM



i believe that the Rev-i is the gun that has the turning trigger that you are thinking about. it is also marketed by DP


sorry got those mixed up
but the g3 just doesn't fit in my hands
i am only 13


If the G3 doesn't fit in your hands, then the only thing that will is a Mini or a Goblin.
The PMR is larger than the G3 also.
Since you obviously don't want a G3, how about an Ego 7? Or a Timmy?


I have a freaking pmr 07

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 04:58 PM

Forget it.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 07:47 PM

for $280 you can get a much nicer speedball gun that would be great for both woods & speedball.

if you dont like the reliability of the pmr & dont like the price let me throw this at you etek 1 $200(not me selling just saying thats what they go for stock, this isnt bst spam) etek 1 is crazy reliable & a breeze to maintain aswell as a damn good marker. damn good.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:00 PM




i believe that the Rev-i is the gun that has the turning trigger that you are thinking about. it is also marketed by DP


sorry got those mixed up
but the g3 just doesn't fit in my hands
i am only 13


If the G3 doesn't fit in your hands, then the only thing that will is a Mini or a Goblin.
The PMR is larger than the G3 also.
Since you obviously don't want a G3, how about an Ego 7? Or a Timmy?


I have a freaking pmr 07



He's saying if the PMR fits in your hands then so will the G3.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 08:30 PM

280 for a x7 phenom aint badd though. maybe there is something wrong with it.


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Posted 20 March 2010 - 09:48 PM

i just got an etek1 and love it cant go wrong with it

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 12:47 AM

watch mikes speedball vs woodsbal/ tippmannn show there is really no reason to buy a tippman as a speedball gun will work in the wods. aslo its quiter more efficient and faster

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:42 AM


If you already have a speedball gun, an don't need any other gear, why not? I'm actually considering buying an X7 Phenom just for the heck of it.


well i am selling it after i sending it back to proto so if you have any friends looking for a gun tell but i first need to read the techpb rules on selling or trading anything.


probably a good idea.

personally I say have both. a tippmann(take mikes advice on owning a tippmann) and buy a flatline barrel.

and get a speedball gun. things i would recommend are:

etek 1, 2, or 3 (all good guns)
DP G3 or G3 spec-R
DP fusion
BL protege

these are just some of the good ones. get one now and either a tippmann or speedball gun next year.

BTW: what year is your PMR?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:53 AM

watch mikes speedball vs woodsbal/ tippmannn show there is really no reason to buy a tippman as a speedball gun will work in the wods. aslo its quiter more efficient and faster


well now tippmann basher... :P

I love my A-5 great gun. I like the cyclone feed sticking out the side rather than the top. I like the flatline barrel. I like the modablity( choose what you want it to look like and go with it, dont change your mind and you wont spend too much on it). I like the sound( big boom). efficient? yeah it guzzles air. but i get 650 shots out of my 72/3000 tank. the thing to remember is that because it has no regulator to worry about recharge it should be more consistent (yes there is a reg on the tank). also if i shoot at 850psi and you shoot at 150psi and we both shoot at 300fps whos using more air volume? prolly still me but you get my point :P now faster... thats debatable. semi yes. but my e-grip can still shoot and psp tourney with ease. i have 3-shot and ramping. so stock e-grip only gets 17bps so yeah for the die hard "my gun shoots XX bps" type you can shoot faster. but i can still shoot fast enough and ( I believe) more accurately to keep you pinned.

and i do own a ETEK 3 so I do love me some speedball.

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:03 AM


If you already have a speedball gun, an don't need any other gear, why not? I'm actually considering buying an X7 Phenom just for the heck of it.


well i am selling it after i sending it back to proto so if you have any friends looking for a gun tell but i first need to read the techpb rules on selling or trading anything.

Nothing wrong with a PMR, BUT it takes regular (weekly) maintenance lubing all the o-rings - like all Matrix's. Plus, you said you're small and seems like a decked out Tippmann is going to be heavier than most 'speedball' guns.


but i could get the new proto rail hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You have a PMR now that you don't want, so why do you think it's a good idea to get another one? I say get a poppit gun like a 'used' Mini, Ego6 or Etek1. They fit your budget($175-300), require little regular maintenance (a little oil and vaseline every 5 cases), and a lot more air efficient.


for $280 you can get a much nicer speedball gun that would be great for both woods & speedball.

if you dont like the reliability of the pmr & dont like the price let me throw this at you etek 1 $200(not me selling just saying thats what they go for stock, this isnt bst spam) etek 1 is crazy reliable & a breeze to maintain aswell as a damn good marker. damn good.

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 10:26 AM



If you already have a speedball gun, an don't need any other gear, why not? I'm actually considering buying an X7 Phenom just for the heck of it.


well i am selling it after i sending it back to proto so if you have any friends looking for a gun tell but i first need to read the techpb rules on selling or trading anything.


probably a good idea.

personally I say have both. a tippmann(take mikes advice on owning a tippmann) and buy a flatline barrel.

and get a speedball gun. things i would recommend are:

etek 1, 2, or 3 (all good guns)
DP G3 or G3 spec-R
DP fusion
BL protege

these are just some of the good ones. get one now and either a tippmann or speedball gun next year.

BTW: what year is your PMR?

07

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 10:53 AM

thats the same year i had. and i was having a ton of leaks too.

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:09 PM

thats the same year i had. and i was having a ton of leaks too.


was is coming out of the back part of the gun?

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 01:42 PM

back, front, grip frame, everywhere.

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 05:20 PM

back, front, grip frame, everywhere.


not the grip frame but other wise yeah it came out ever where.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 05:57 PM

get a speedball gun. There is no point to get a tippmann, really, unless you want to go milsim. In that case, there are still other markers I would buy for milsim over a tippmann. Tippmanns are good for rentals and loaners.

You can find a great used timmy (most likely gen5) for your price range. It will be reliable as hell (more-so than an A5, in my experience) will shoot faster, smoother, quieter, more efficiently, have more modes, be lighter, smaller profile, you can hide your hopper behind the bunker, and more comfortable in the hands.(IMO)


watch mikes speedball vs woodsbal/ tippmannn show there is really no reason to buy a tippman as a speedball gun will work in the wods. aslo its quiter more efficient and faster


well now tippmann basher... :P

I love my A-5 great gun. I like the cyclone feed sticking out the side rather than the top. I like the flatline barrel. I like the modablity( choose what you want it to look like and go with it, dont change your mind and you wont spend too much on it). I like the sound( big boom). efficient? yeah it guzzles air. but i get 650 shots out of my 72/3000 tank. the thing to remember is that because it has no regulator to worry about recharge it should be more consistent (yes there is a reg on the tank). also if i shoot at 850psi and you shoot at 150psi and we both shoot at 300fps whos using more air volume? prolly still me but you get my point :P now faster... thats debatable. semi yes. but my e-grip can still shoot and psp tourney with ease. i have 3-shot and ramping. so stock e-grip only gets 17bps so yeah for the die hard "my gun shoots XX bps" type you can shoot faster. but i can still shoot fast enough and ( I believe) more accurately to keep you pinned.

and i do own a ETEK 3 so I do love me some speedball.


The cyclone sticking out the side makes it impossible to hide your hopper, unless you only shoot out the left side of the bunker.

Also, the Apex is much better than the flatline and is available in more than just tippmann threads.

The sound is a preference thing, but if you are playing woods and are trying to be stealthy, quieter is better.

What you said about being more consistent because it doesnt use a reg is completely false. The output pressure on a tank can change. A bad reg will go up/down 50psi from shot to shot. Without a regulator, the gun can see +-50psi. With a regulator, the +-50psi change from the tank is only going to be +-1psi or so on the gun, so the gun only sees a 1 psi difference rather than 50. Hence, it is more consistent with a regulator. Plus, the recharge rate you are talking about only applies when shooting EXTREMELY fast. Much, MUCH faster than most guns can shoot, I believe. I forget the actual number, but I think the recharge rate only really matters if you are shooting high 30's or 40 bps.

As far as what you mentioned about volume of air, that is false, too.
Your tippmann needs 850psi to fully cycle and shoot the ball. An electro which runs at, say 150psi requires 150psi to cycle, and a couple hundred to shoot the ball, coming to a total of 350psi. This does not mean it uses a higher volume of air to make up for the lower psi. It uses *aproximately* the same volume to shoot the ball. However, an electro takes less force to cycle, and uses a smaller internal volume, thus lower psi needed at a lower volume of air.

And as for the rate of fire, you cant really tell how fast a tippmann shoots unless you shoot it over a chrono that tracks bps. Because they advertise 17, 25, etc but its complete marketing BS. I have seen one tippmann shoot like 20bps but it was a blender.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 08:35 PM

get a speedball gun. There is no point to get a tippmann, really, unless you want to go milsim. In that case, there are still other markers I would buy for milsim over a tippmann. Tippmanns are good for rentals and loaners.

You can find a great used timmy (most likely gen5) for your price range. It will be reliable as hell (more-so than an A5, in my experience) will shoot faster, smoother, quieter, more efficiently, have more modes, be lighter, smaller profile, you can hide your hopper behind the bunker, and more comfortable in the hands.(IMO)



watch mikes speedball vs woodsbal/ tippmannn show there is really no reason to buy a tippman as a speedball gun will work in the wods. aslo its quiter more efficient and faster


well now tippmann basher... :P

I love my A-5 great gun. I like the cyclone feed sticking out the side rather than the top. I like the flatline barrel. I like the modablity( choose what you want it to look like and go with it, dont change your mind and you wont spend too much on it). I like the sound( big boom). efficient? yeah it guzzles air. but i get 650 shots out of my 72/3000 tank. the thing to remember is that because it has no regulator to worry about recharge it should be more consistent (yes there is a reg on the tank). also if i shoot at 850psi and you shoot at 150psi and we both shoot at 300fps whos using more air volume? prolly still me but you get my point :P now faster... thats debatable. semi yes. but my e-grip can still shoot and psp tourney with ease. i have 3-shot and ramping. so stock e-grip only gets 17bps so yeah for the die hard "my gun shoots XX bps" type you can shoot faster. but i can still shoot fast enough and ( I believe) more accurately to keep you pinned.

and i do own a ETEK 3 so I do love me some speedball.


The cyclone sticking out the side makes it impossible to hide your hopper, unless you only shoot out the left side of the bunker.

Also, the Apex is much better than the flatline and is available in more than just tippmann threads.

The sound is a preference thing, but if you are playing woods and are trying to be stealthy, quieter is better.

What you said about being more consistent because it doesnt use a reg is completely false. The output pressure on a tank can change. A bad reg will go up/down 50psi from shot to shot. Without a regulator, the gun can see +-50psi. With a regulator, the +-50psi change from the tank is only going to be +-1psi or so on the gun, so the gun only sees a 1 psi difference rather than 50. Hence, it is more consistent with a regulator. Plus, the recharge rate you are talking about only applies when shooting EXTREMELY fast. Much, MUCH faster than most guns can shoot, I believe. I forget the actual number, but I think the recharge rate only really matters if you are shooting high 30's or 40 bps.

As far as what you mentioned about volume of air, that is false, too.
Your tippmann needs 850psi to fully cycle and shoot the ball. An electro which runs at, say 150psi requires 150psi to cycle, and a couple hundred to shoot the ball, coming to a total of 350psi. This does not mean it uses a higher volume of air to make up for the lower psi. It uses *aproximately* the same volume to shoot the ball. However, an electro takes less force to cycle, and uses a smaller internal volume, thus lower psi needed at a lower volume of air.

And as for the rate of fire, you cant really tell how fast a tippmann shoots unless you shoot it over a chrono that tracks bps. Because they advertise 17, 25, etc but its complete marketing BS. I have seen one tippmann shoot like 20bps but it was a blender.



Actually i usually only shoot from the right side due to the remote line that i use and the vests left shoulder has my redio pouch. my reaction time is good enough to get a shot or 2 off before i get hit. ( i have my tricks to making this work) and will only pull it out for speedball dirubg rec play when others are renting(no need to brutalize them.)

the way im stealthy on the fields is to not shoot. just me though.

I get ~650 shots from a 72/3000psi tank and thats enough for me.

I just dont care about arguing with you about psi and volume. i said that despite all that i prolly still use more air than a spool or poppit. its all dependent on the volume difference to determine who uses more air. if volume is the same and im using more psi then im using more air. if im using 1cc of 850psi air then you would need to be using ~6cc's of 150psi for me to be using less air than you.

my a5 runs +-10fps for a pod and im happy with that. the flatline barrel really takes care of any small inconsistancy with the backspin. kinda. I dont worry about that.(BTW i use a ninja reg and have great recharge)

and my egrip is still at the factory settings 10bps full-auto. though i never use it(field rules) even if i could i would still rather use 3-shot burst. just something more satisfying.
in more than 12 cases my cyclone feed has never broken a ball. every shot from my a5 left the barrel intact. the only thing i had was a single jam.

it all comes down to preference. i prefer my a5 because its modeled after one of my favorite firearms the H&K mp5k-pdw.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 09:10 PM

so should i get a etek or x7 phenom or the vices or marq's i just need to pointed to the right direction. I am 13 weigh about 190 i my arms get tired after a long period of time in a game.

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:17 PM

then go speedball with a carbon fiber tank. like etek 1,2 or 3. PMR, DP G3, MINI. somewhere in the 250-450 range

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 08:02 AM

then go speedball with a carbon fiber tank. like etek 1,2 or 3. PMR, DP G3, MINI. somewhere in the 250-450 range


I have ever thing i have a 45000 fiber tank but i only have $250 so i think if i can find one i might get a etek2 or 1

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:35 AM

try finding a used gen 5 timmy. Thats likely your best bet. Though you may have to save up a little more.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 09:57 AM

i think the used etek route is right where you should be looking. also try used G3's, fusion. DUDE!!!! you NEED to get 350$ and get yourself the infinity legend!!!!! (new). that WILL be the most bang for your buck. guaranteed!!!

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 03:44 PM

hey i found a great gun in Michigan where i live it's a bob long victory

http://cgi.ebay.com/...45f1e05cc0#shId

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:42 PM

awesome. Those are great guns. You will be happy. See if you can have him air it up and shoot it before you buy it.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:49 PM

awesome. Those are great guns. You will be happy. See if you can have him air it up and shoot it before you buy it.


sure i will ask but i don't know where he lives all i know is that he is in lavonia which is about 25 min from where i live.

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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:49 PM

hey i found a great gun in Michigan where i live it's a bob long victory

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That's going to go past $800 quickly dude. That's a $1200 gun, a bit out of your price range.
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Posted 25 March 2010 - 05:52 PM


hey i found a great gun in Michigan where i live it's a bob long victory

http://cgi.ebay.com/...45f1e05cc0#shId


That's going to go past $800 quickly dude. That's a $1200 gun, a bit out of your price range.


i guess but i could just keep watching it

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hey i found a great gun in Michigan where i live it's a bob long victory

http://cgi.ebay.com/...45f1e05cc0#shId


That's going to go past $800 quickly dude. That's a $1200 gun, a bit out of your price range.


i guess but i could just keep watching it


Just saying. I'd look for a g3 because it's really light and small.
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hey i found a great gun in Michigan where i live it's a bob long victory

http://cgi.ebay.com/...45f1e05cc0#shId


That's going to go past $800 quickly dude. That's a $1200 gun, a bit out of your price range.


i guess but i could just keep watching it


Just saying. I'd look for a g3 because it's really light and small.

sure

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Posted 26 March 2010 - 01:07 PM

speeedbaaaalll. you can use it in woodsball too. if you got an x7 it would be really hard to play speedball.
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 12:00 AM

So now I know I am getting a speedball gun now I am thinking after I sell my proto I am either getting a etek 3LT or a G3 spec r or just original G3

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 04:08 AM

look into getin and older eteck or ego u will be able to pick one up for 300 - 400 and there solid solid markers
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Posted 28 March 2010 - 09:05 AM

look into getin and older eteck or ego u will be able to pick one up for 300 - 400 and there solid solid markers


see i am selling my pmr 07 for 300 because i have upgrade it and i already have 192 dollars so think i will get an etek

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