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#1 paintballdude375

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:18 PM

Ive been reading about the NPPL bancrupcy lately and its kinda got me down.Me and some friends finally got together and started a team,got the gear,got the guns and now it seems like theres no point anymore.So am I exadurating this or is it comin to an end...

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:20 PM

As long as there is a kid in some rural field shooting up trees with a tippman, the spirit of paintball is alive and well.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:30 PM

No. The Economy isn't helping paintball (it IS expensive, and not really a necessary one at that) so I think we're more going into a lull. I don't think we're in trouble.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:32 PM

also you gotta think, in every wal-mart in the country. each is stacked with brass eagles, viewloaders, spyders and tippmanns. and thats like 100s of thosands of guns and paintballs. so i dont think paintball is dying.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:36 PM

But i dont really think that ramping is gonna be any fun..i mean a donkey with a electra(not dissing it btw lol) can ramp 13 does this mean that all the smaller tourney not in like a league but like at local shops will stop semi also

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:47 PM

defiantly shrinking

it wont die, but we might be a more select group soon enough. and, sad to say, but i think speedball and its monopoly on "high" paintball is coming to an end.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:50 PM

No. The Economy isn't helping paintball (it IS expensive, and not really a necessary one at that) so I think we're more going into a lull. I don't think we're in trouble.


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Lotus says it clearly, as with the Economy. Everything else is slowly tumbling but in a porportion that still makes Paintball extremely popular if that makes any sense.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 05:59 PM

If there wern't assholes who bonusball new players paintball would be much bigger. We're scaring away new players.

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 06:01 PM

I agree but sometimes you cant help it,theres always that one kid who will get shot like 20million times in a row and NEVER calls out ,but the one game u shoot him more than once he has a hissy fit.But then again our field has TERRIBLE!!!!!! refs

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 06:21 PM

and although nppl dies, la resistance' lives on! :D but its gonna be hard, me personally was acustomed to nppl format and fire modes. now that its gone or disolving, im gonna have to get used to psp fields lanes layouts modes and all that good stuff :rolleyes:

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 06:54 PM

no i think the bigg buinesses are killing the sport
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 07:31 PM

Well, paintball numbers increase greatly every year. Idk why I use this example, but Okie D-day. 2006 the numbers were around 4000. 2007, 6000. And this years was the biggest turn out we have ever had at 8000+.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 07:48 PM

no i think the bigg buinesses are killing the sport



Smartparts to be exact...

Paintball will never die (as long as I am here), some people have built their life around it, and would do anything to keep it alive. I'm sure it will be around for a long time. We are going through a "great depression" paintball type of deal... We will over come in time (if it happens).

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Posted 02 December 2008 - 07:55 PM

We are going through a "great depression" paintball type of deal... We will over come in time (if it happens).


And thats with the whole economy, not just paintball.
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Posted 02 December 2008 - 08:02 PM

And thats with the whole economy, not just paintball.



very true... It will get worse than it is already is. Its a terrable thing to live through, I Hope you all planted a garden this year :lol: ...

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:02 AM

i love paintball but it is dieing from what i see. everyone that i know is quitting because paintball DOES get boring when you play every single weekend for years because it gets repetitive. but im not going to quit anytime soon
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:13 AM

its economics 101 ( 201 actually but 101 sounds better), luxury items are always the first to go when there are hard times...paintball is a luxury. It'll catch back up eventually don't worry. PS in case you're wondering I'm a business admin major with a minor in economics
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:13 AM

I don't think our sport is "dying", I'd agree with Lotus that we're in a "lull".

But it's kind of been like this for awhile, our sport explodedin the early 2000s, and we've kinda been on a plateau the past few years... we're going into the other end of that plateau right now.


You know what we all should do? Find a friend who has never been paintballing and bring them with you to your local field. Tell them what's up, give them a little pep-talk, then send them out to go play with all the other rentals and walk-ons. Give them pointers so they don't get rocked, will enjoy the sport and hopefully return to help us grow.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:13 AM

i love paintball but it is dieing from what i see. everyone that i know is quitting because paintball DOES get boring when you play every single weekend for years because it gets repetitive. but im not going to quit anytime soon



I really hope that it isn't dieing, Because I just recently got into paintball. So I hope it doesn't because so far I LOVE IT! I agree with Stavey about stuff getting repetitive. The reason I moved to paintball is because I've use to be a die hard airsofter (Don't bitch me out or make fun of me for it!) And I was playing that for over 2.5 years and I got bored of that, But i'm glad I did or else I wouldn't of found this AWESOME SPORT!!! (I know, It was a little off topic. Sorry) :P

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 12:23 AM

You guys have to think about this positively. Yes, the NPPL is filing for bankruptcy, but bankruptcy doesn't mean they close the doors for good. You don't think the people over at NPPL aren't going to stay in business? There is going to be a major scale back and a restructuring of events, but they will hopefully bounce back. Plus the group that is getting together to talk about the "one world-wide paintball" can only be good. Unifying the sport, getting rid of the divisions which only led to confusion, and combining to become stronger. Lotus is right, the sport is in a lull, it basically has been since 02/03, somewhere in there, but it is going to bounce back as long as there are people who want to play it. Once the economy shapes up and this one paintball restructuring takes place I think it will be back and stronger than ever. You have to think about how small we are to begin with. What is paintball "dying"? To me paintball won't be dead until every field nationwide closes down. It will just take time and support of its patrons to bring it back up to speed.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 01:00 AM

I have never bonus balled anyone, i think i have only shot a guy 3 times to get him out (it was a friend, and hes better than me :P) though i have been bonus balled by some 18 year old punk who wears lu lu lemon (male)

I only shoot him when he refs :P

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 01:30 AM

No, paintball as a whole will be fine in the long run - even if some parts of the industry take a beating.
Ive been playing since 1986 & have already seen the game survive 2 recessions, only to bounce back bigger than ever.
The sport just hasnt found the kind of organization it needs to reach the next level yet.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 01:39 PM

But i dont really think that ramping is gonna be any fun..i mean a donkey with a electra(not dissing it btw lol) can ramp 13 does this mean that all the smaller tourney not in like a league but like at local shops will stop semi also


What? Ramping or not you still have to shoot the person out and that takes skill, why does everyone think ramping is bad? To shoot a paintball marker does take skill when you play higher up ramping or not. Semi will always live. Semi not go away even if nppl is leaving.

What everyone has to remember paintball is not the only activity taking a hit. The economy is doing better, since gas has gone down. Paintball will never die.
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:12 PM

This isn't like any economic downturn that any active players have lived through.

Two key economic factors have plummeted in the past few months: consumer demand and credit availability. What you're going to see first is that paintball (and other) businesses with high fixed costs (indoor fields in cold climates, stores in high rent areas) will suffer first. Many will fail. Some manufacturers will probably fail. Surviving manufacturers' product lines with be reduced. Retailers who survive will be carrying less inventory. There's also going to be a slowing of new entrants to the sport, because most families don't want to add an expensive hobby when the economy is looking so precarious.

The upside is that if you're looking for gear and have money to spend on it, there are going to be ridiculous bargains both from retailers and manufacturers moving inventory, and players leaving the sport. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Keep your powder dry. I won't be surprised to see $200 used Egos in a year or two.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:35 PM

Why does every democrat think that big buisiness is killing everything? thats rediculous.


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Posted 03 December 2008 - 02:38 PM

everything is diying look at the major car manufactures they are going to washington to ask for money soi they dont go bankrupt

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:01 PM

I agree but sometimes you cant help it,theres always that one kid who will get shot like 20million times in a row and NEVER calls out ,but the one game u shoot him more than once he has a hissy fit.But then again our field has TERRIBLE!!!!!! refs


when i started playing i always played with older kids and i was like 10 so i didnt want to be a little bitch. i just sucked it up like u should
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:22 PM

Why does every democrat think that big buisiness is killing everything? thats rediculous.


where would football be without Nike? basketball? hockey? soccer?


why does every idiot assign political beliefs to people without having a clue what that persons political beliefs are?
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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:29 PM

"Its the economy stupid"
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Even i have had to cut back significantly on my outings, mostly during the gas crunch.

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:37 PM

I know as long as Myself, And a few of my friends are alive. Paintball will always be alive. I know of many players that will be playing for the next 20+ years even if no one else is playing or they attempt to ban it...

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 03:56 PM

Why does every democrat think that big buisiness is killing everything? thats rediculous.


where would football be without Nike? basketball? hockey? soccer?

wow im a conservative and the big paintball companys are killing the sport bacause we all depend on paint right? so they can raise prices as high as they want and they now you will still buy it

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Posted 03 December 2008 - 06:22 PM

Paint isn't even that expensive, go to academy and buy a case of stinger for 30 bucks, big deal. Sure it's not Premium, but it still shoots out of your barrel pretty much in the same fashion. I think paintball is gonna make it through the recession but the tournament scene, local and national, will suffer. Also, if paint and entry fee is what is keeping players away. play pump and get allot better at paintball. The cost for pump on a Sunday is 25 dollars maybe. You shoot possibly a bag of paint.
Find killer deals online for paintballs and gear, they are out there but you must find them. For example, some paintball websites have free shipping for purchases over a certain dollar amount, or a "buy ____ cases and free shipping". Take advantage of these deals.
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 01:03 AM

ok so what is good temporairly
demand goes down, so does the price(good)

but
a unified paintball organization?
wouldnt there be no competition?
(think of the oil companies and opec)
that means then they can truely charge you $1000 for your cheap shit, and walmart still makes a killing, no matter which direction paintball goes
(not good)

but thats just me, with no degree, nothing more than high school
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 04:54 PM

paintball is a luxury which means demand is elastic with regards to supply, picture a fat kid (price) chasing after a skinny kid (demand/ consumer) the consumer can just run away if the price gets to big , if they charge rediculous prices they will lose revenue because demand will drop, which means its in their best interest to remain competitive with there pricing to maintain maximum profits.

The exact opposite occurs for things like food...if the price goes up on food people are still going to buy food because the demand curve is less elastic aka the demand is now the fat kid being chased by the price...

Make sense? Probably not, true economics is more then just supply and demand based on price...there is always shifting and reshifting of the curves most people fail to grasp it though.
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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:22 PM

i dont think pb is dying. i mean ever time i see it on TV (which is rare nowadays) the speaker always says "Its the fastest extreme sport growing today" now they could be lieing but id like to hope pb isnt loosing many members.

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Posted 04 December 2008 - 05:42 PM

paintball is a luxury which means demand is elastic with regards to supply, picture a fat kid (price) chasing after a skinny kid (demand/ consumer) the consumer can just run away if the price gets to big , if they charge rediculous prices they will lose revenue because demand will drop, which means its in their best interest to remain competitive with there pricing to maintain maximum profits.

The exact opposite occurs for things like food...if the price goes up on food people are still going to buy food because the demand curve is less elastic aka the demand is now the fat kid being chased by the price...

Make sense? Probably not, true economics is more then just supply and demand based on price...there is always shifting and reshifting of the curves most people fail to grasp it though.


haha funny yet explains it verry well lol




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