I got a used vanguard creed for 250. It had a leak but got that fixed at my local store for 10 dollars. So In total 260. I am not sure if that is norm but I love my creed. I also like the vice. I would go with creed or vice and I think that the axe/extcy is a little overrated compared to other guns.
Thank you so much also I noticed that it vibrates a little. I can live with it but is their anyway I could mess with the setting to get rid of it a little bit? Also what are the optimal settings on the vanguard creed to make it shoot smoothly