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vzmaniac

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In Topic: What is the easiest Spoolie to maintain

27 June 2012 - 03:40 AM

geo 1/2/2.1/3 will be the easiest highend to maintain.... only has 7-8 orings on the entire DT

In Topic: Clone GT vs Geo 3

25 June 2012 - 10:27 PM


so similiar enough efficiency numbers from geo 3 vs what ive heard from the gt to not be a defineing factor

Let's assume that's the case for now.

geo 3

has better board in terms of quality and settings.

I don't understand why people keep saying this. The PE boards, while having a bigger screen, are LCD while macdev's are OLED. OLED's are more expensive, look crisper imo, and use less battery which means they're better as technology>size. If they weren't, Virtue wouldn't release new OLED boards for PE markers every year.

Also in terms of settings, while PE boards allow you to swich between opto/micro on the trigger, they only allow semi and ramp firing modes. Clone boards not only have semi and ramp, but full auto and burst.as well. Would/Will you ever need these kinds of modes on your board? no but I'd rather have the ability to shoot many ways than how my marker reads my trigger pull as such modes don't require an effort to pull it and I prefer microswitches instead.


PE boards are not true LED's they are Transflective LCD w/ Tru-Color Adjustable Backlite... which is easier to see in the light, uses less power, has colour etc etc as good a quality as oled

the macdev board while having the tadao software doesnt appear to be a tadao board... simply a replica with the software on it... and i have seen screens die on them as well as battery temirnals come off because of inadequate solder...

the dev board also doesnt offer fine tuning and doesnt have optical...


coming with full auto and burst is irrelevant on a tourney gun as long as it comes with the features required to play any tourney (nppl, psp, millenium) then it is a "good" board. infact it was a conscious decision by planet eclipse not to release guns with full auto because they did want their products known for due to idiots and younglings going out with the gun on full auto blasting anyone in sight 30+ times. there is nothing stopping you changing the gun to unlimited ramp and the activation at 3-4pulls and blasting away in "ramping full auto" but it requires a little more concetration and care.... not just hold the trigger and feed your loader
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has 1/4 the orings on the drivetrain making it more reliable and easier to maintain.

This is true, but all the main functioning GT orings are standard size with a durometer rating of 70. Standard size 70 durometer orings are main orings used in paintball; as a result, you can easily find them from many players regardless of what marker they use in case you need to. In addition, Macdev uses the same orings over and over again in many of the important features of the marker.

The bolt of the Geo 3, according to the manual, uses a metric 14X2 oring as well as a standard 15 sized oring with a durometer of 90. Not only are they much more uncommon, but you have to identify such features when replacing them if the person who you're getting orings from doesn't use Geo markers, which can be a pain as orings tend to look the same.

In this day an age getting an oring kit from oringmonkey etc etc is only a few dollars and a couple of days away... the sizing of the orings while important is not as crucial to reliability and ease of maintance as the amount of orings there are.

add to this the bumper oring for the gts bolt is a 15x1 and the reg seat oring is a 6x1 (and the solenoid subplate has 3 4x1 and a 15x1 i beleive also) the gt negating any advantage in oring size the gt holds over the geo.


the geo has 2 14x2 and a 17 for the cycle movement of the bolt

the clone gt has 5x17's, 2x11's, and 1x16. in the cycle movement... more than twice the geos


having not seen or pulled apart a gt reg i find the eclipse hpr regs, while not as consistent seem to be a bit more robust and reliable.

Macdev wins on the reg department because not only because is it a brand new reg (internals are not interchangeable with previous models) it contain no small parts, which are annoyance as they are easy to lose (the sl3 regs have a tiny purge poppit that it'd be a headache if i ever lost when trying to fix it due to supercharging). Also macdev is known for the quality of their regs.

as i said while not as consistent i find the eclipse regs to be far better with robustness and reliability.... every dev gun i have seen requires the hpr reg to be cleaned after 2-4 cases otherwise the gun has issues like FSDO, FSH or cycling issues.

eclipse regs i have seen go upwards of 15-20 cases without any issues....



has a better trigger in terms of adjustability and function (switch/opti)

Can't argue with this one. Clone triggers are still as horrible but the GT's are still compatible with violent triggers. Also more aftermarket triggers are available.

is macro'd which i prefer over macroless due to inherent issues with macroless (difficult to diagnose leaks, asa orings getting shredded etc that happens across most guns)

macroless issues are overblown. In the GT's case, the air goes from the asa, through the grip frame and into the solenoid. In most cases a leak will happen either at the solenoid (rarely happens) or the asa (which has like 2 orings). The only way a leak can happen at the frame is if you really screwed it up (macdev frames are a bit studier unlike PE, who chose to design it that way).

as i said "i prefer".... marcoless really provides no performance gain over macro'd and as such should be considered an "upgrade".

Note: there is some people having issues with orings shredding in the gt asa something i dont think ive ever heard of being an issue with pe asa's


has the pops asa which i still think is the most revolutionary design for an asa to come out in quite a while

But in the end, an asa is just to gas/degass up a marker. While the pops makes it much easier, other knob-based asa don't hinder gassing and degassing to the point the pops becomes the standard.

has the purge valve dial to tune the gun

There's only one setting I would want in a spool and that's as smooth as it could be. If I wanted anything else, I grab a poppit instead.

due to the fact its got the same bolt design from the geo 2 it will likely be one of, if not the softest/best "new age" spoolie on paint.

While assuming the efficiency might be better, being of the same bolt design means it probably won't be as smooth in comparison to it's rivals, as the Geo 2 was the worse spool in the high-end market in terms of smoothness. Hopefully the new solenoid changes that.

smoothness has bugger all to do with paint handling ability.... some of the local clones have been the worst guns for breaking brittle and not so brittle paint to the point some teams shoot the harder paint cause they simply cant get the brittle stuff out of their guns.... the geos have always been awesome on paint...


has PE's awesome customer/parts support which is extremly hard to beat.

Can't argue here also. PE has the best customer support in all of paintball and have done a lot for this sport.

has great packaging and a massive spares kit

So does pretty much most of the high-ends sans bob long.

packaging yes, spare parts kit the size of PE i havent seen with any other gun

comes with 2 bolts

Which is the most mind-baffling part: why would you need 2 bolts in the first place? Are they telling us that there is a situation where breaking more paint is essential? If this is one of the reasons they use to justify the price increase, then it's a silly one imo.

i beleive that due to the open face bolt arrangment of the st2 its slightly less efficient on air... so with the most brittle of brittle paints you switch to the st2 (considering youll prolly have to shoot less paint if its brittler) and can shoot it. when you have warm weather or good paint you can switch back and get every drop of efficiency out of the gun

is $50 cheaper than the GT

But they still increased the price and failed to justify it from a consumer's persepective, at least in comparison to the GT. With the VX to the GT, macdev not only made it macroless, they replaced the ASA, reg, the body milling, grip frame, gips, eye covers and solenoid along with redesigning the drivetrain to make it more simpler and easier to remove. In addition, they to also made their version of a soft tip and placed it on their bolt.

Macdev could have easily driopped the clone name as that's how different the GT is in comparison to earlier models. Are the performance gains not significant? It does shoot slightly smoother but macdev markers were already top of the line in terms of performance, so it's hard to really improve on that. Does this mean more unknown issues? Yes but I least I have the satisfaction of buying a whole new marker and not just a slight update.

Again I said this earlier, if PE kept the price at 1250, they would have had a better arguement. The fact they're still using the same SL3 reg or pops asa rubs me the wrong way with the price increase. Why couldn't they have taken the Bespoke ASA design from the CSL? Heck why couldn't they taken anything from the CSL and added it to the GEO 3 (The Geo 2 added the SL3 reg from the SLS)? The 2 bolt situation is probably the biggest head scratcher among them all. Why would anyone need 2 bolts when we'd all use the bolt that leads to less paint breaking anyway? They should have sold the st-2 bolt seperately of at least added the e-portal software, which has been out like forever.

i cant speak as to why there was a price increase.... im sure pe has their reasons good or bad...


what i think is overlooked is the fact that... regardless of what has been changed vs what hasnt been changed, in its niche market (light, good ergonomics, great trigger, very reliable, easy to maintain, well backed up with customer support,) the geo 2/2.1 was and has been a great marker.
Eclipse by the looks of it have decently improve on it.... worthy possibly of a small price rise.
add to this the GFC and the way the economy is perhaps, PE simply could survive selling guns @1250 anymore... and i dont think anyone can argue against them wanting to survive as a business :P
silly enough even @ 1350 the geo3 is still i think the cheapest of the highend spooles... and from the improvements and talk from testers may finally warrant the title "highend" to those who only value ultimate performance in spoolies at the cost of everything else :)


^^^ all of which means little because it is still $50 cheaper than the gt and the question is, is the gt worth $50 more.... and that is really only important to someone choosing between the two



do i think you should go straight out and pre-order the geo 3

hell no

do i think you should at least wait for the geo 3 to start getting out to people and have a shot of one at your local feild up against a gt if you can find one.

hell yeah

This applies to you with the Clone GT as well.


from preliminary accounts i have heard the following efficiency comments about the geo3

4 pods and hopper off 3k fill 45/45
6 pods of a full fill 68/50 with 2500 psi left
8 pods and a hopper of 70/45 <greenspan
8 pods off 68/45 with 1500 psi left

6 PODS OFF A FULL 68/45 WITH 2500 PSI LEFT??? YEAH UH.... I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT PE GOT THEIR SPOOL TO GO FROM 6-7 PODS TO 12 WITH THE EXACT SAME BOLT??? NO WAY, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT I WILL NEED PROOF. EVEN IF I SAW THIS WITH MY OWN EYES I WOULD CONTINUE TO DOUBT IT.

i didn't capitalize to show an attitude or anything, i just don't know how to change the color of font on here so i cap locked and used bold to make it stand out.


as i said they are preliminary numbers and i have no proof... but they all share a similiar "area" of efficiency

the propshaft was redesigned for better flow etc and the new noid purges less air i beleive which means less air wasted

add to this it was 50/50 people with their geo 2's getting 6-7 pods of a fill to people gettin 8-9 pods of a fill.... i personally witnessed a freind get 6 pods and a hopper with 1500psi left off of his geo 2.1
im assuming the hope is to make the geo 3 get more consistent efficiency numbers across every gun
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it's all preference, but you're aren't gonna know anything about the Geo 3 until you KNOW.... you know? lol
I'm very happy about selling my Geo 2.1 and getting the Clone GT. I have no worries that the Geo 3 will fall short in all performance categories. I seriously doubt it will be as efficient, smooth, or as quiet as my Clone GT. In the end, it is still personal preference. Which feels better in your hands? Is a good trigger important to you? If so, do you mind dropping $40 on an aftermarket for the Clone GT? Are semi and ramping enough for the stock board? If not, do you mind dropping $100+ on another board?

agreed with everything except the "Semi and ramping good enough" i seriously worry about anyone that feels that full auto is necessary...


I think the BIGGEST issue when debating between a Geo 3/2.1 and a Clone VX/GT is whether or not you neglect your equipment. They're both reliable, but the Geo 2 excelled when it came to neglect-ability. The Clone GT will need maintenance more often, but you will see better performance (we'll see if the Geo 3 changes that, I do not think that it will). I enjoy taking my marker apart and cleaning it up, and I find it worth the performance boosts.

As far as Customer Service, PE has a huge advantage in the sheer size of their company. I have had very good experiences with Macdev's Customer Service thus far, in fact they have been nothing short of amazing.

Either choice you make you won't regret it.


fair comments i cant argue with :)

In Topic: Clone GT vs Geo 3

25 June 2012 - 02:26 AM

from preliminary accounts i have heard the following efficiency comments about the geo3

4 pods and hopper off 3k fill 45/45
6 pods of a full fill 68/50 with 2500 psi left
8 pods and a hopper of 70/45 <greenspan
8 pods off 68/45 with 1500 psi left

no chrono readings, no comments of broken in levels and no "proof" but 4 different guns/people very similiar numbers
id hazard that the magic 10pods of 68/4500 filled to 4500 is likely

so similiar enough efficiency numbers from geo 3 vs what ive heard from the gt to not be a defineing factor

geo 3

has better board in terms of quality and settings
has 1/4 the orings on the drivetrain making it more reliable and easier to maintain.
having not seen or pulled apart a gt reg i find the eclipse hpr regs, while not as consistent seem to be a bit more robust and reliable.
has a better trigger in terms of adjustability and function (switch/opti)
is macro'd which i prefer over macroless due to inherent issues with macroless (difficult to diagnose leaks, asa orings getting shredded etc that happens across most guns)
has the pops asa which i still think is the most revolutionary design for an asa to come out in quite a while
has the purge valve dial to tune the gun
due to the fact its got the same bolt design from the geo 2 it will likely be one of, if not the softest/best "new age" spoolie on paint.
has PE's awesome customer/parts support which is extremly hard to beat.
has great packaging and a massive spares kit
comes with 2 bolts
is $50 cheaper than the GT

do i think you should go straight out and pre-order the geo 3

hell no

do i think you should at least wait for the geo 3 to start getting out to people and have a shot of one at your local feild up against a gt if you can find one

hell yeah

In Topic: Why would one get a Ego 11 over a 2012 G6R?

30 March 2012 - 01:50 AM

forget efficiency, shot quality, ergos, trigger, packaging etc etc etc etc

the reason that i would take an ego 11 any day of the week is because PE REPLIES to emails, facebook msgs, techpb/pbnation PMs and have been constantly extremly helpful.

i have unsuccessfully tried to contact blast in at least 6 different ways electronically and with 5 different people and not a single one of them has gotten back to me...

and bl fanboys dont bullshit on about how you just have to call them... i dont live in the states and it would be F*&*^* nice to get a response electronically when i send it. especially since no other company ive contacted like this has had an issue responding to me.


NOTE: i actually love both guns i think the ego 11 is better for a new player or someone who doesnt like taking care of their shit, and the g6 is for someone that can appreciate it.... but even taking the price into account they are both wikid guns

In Topic: Egos and SL's

17 March 2012 - 06:08 AM

So, just because the Ego line is one of the most reliable out there, that means that it is giving maximum performance possible? Again, I ask you to please get out of PE's ass. I read the thing just fine, maybe you should scan it one more time, and actually see what you are implying. Also, to note, the Legend is as reliable than the Ego line, and performed better than the Ego line until the Ego 9 came out.

again you seem to be completly twisting the words to suit your argument im simply saying that the ege gbasically the best performance possible while still being bullet proof reliable

egos can go months without serviceing, do not require tuning of any kind, do not require special tuning tools or special lubes to function to the point at one stage pe was saying to use petroleum jelly the regs were so immune to different lubes.

i never said anything about the legend i have never even seen or shot one. so again a non-starter


Reliability and CS mean NOTHING to performance. Nothing. Performance is not an equation, and CS and reliability are not a performance category. They are their own categories, completely separate. You want to bundle them together, because you feel that it helps your cause, but it simple doesnt work that way. CS could not be further away from a performance trait, as a matter of fact. And believe it or not, a broken gun/leaking gun CAN still outperform other guns. Just not at the moment. The Toyota Prius is more reliable than any Mercedes or BMW. Does that mean it outperforms them? No, because reliability is not a performance aspect. As a matter of fact, no matter the industry, high performance almost always equals lower reliability. They have nothing to do with each other. At all. No matter how you attempt to spin it.

i will concede CS is not directly a performance feature.... but not being able to get parts to fix or advice for your gun means it will sit in its case broken and will not be able to outperform any other gun

as for reliability 100% it IS part of the performance spectrum....
if a gun cannot perform to its best consistently it cant be considered a "better performing" gun.... thats just the way it is

Also, I never claimed that I have never had an issue with my RX, so please dont put words in my mouth. Although it would, technically, be true. My RX has not given me any problems. I did, however, develope a leak at one point, which took me a bit to trace down. The cause? A paint shell on the front rammer o-ring. Hardly an issue with the gun. Other than that, it hasnt given me any problems. But then again, I never had an issue with my Egos, other than my Ego 5, either. And that Ego 5 came messed up, and it was an easy enough fix.

i was simply making a statement that i often hear from fanboys of any gun in which "well i dont know how your "friends" used the gun but ive never had a single issue with my gun" its a bullshit comment from fanboys and it annoys me.. im happy to see you do not have the blind ideals of a fanboy.

As for the barrel part, it is easy. The barrel comes with the gun, but it not part of the gun. A stock barrel might be loud, but that is not because the gun itself performs badly. If you have a car with a bad muffler, and that makes it loud, is it because of the cars performance? Or is it because the muffler is bad? If you put a crap lens on a high end DSLR, and it takes crappy pictures, is that because the DSLR performs badly, or because it had a bad lens? Etc, etc. When you put everything equal, that is when you actually get to see how something performs. If gun A comes with a stock barrel that is a .8 bore, and gun B comes with a .67 barrel, and you are shooting .67 paint, is that a fair comparison for efficiency at the same FPS? No, obviously. One is a massive overbore. It has nothing to do with the gun's efficiency, because if you gave gun A the barrel of gun B, its efficiency would jump.

we were talking about stock guns with everything stock.... you have now change the argument to say x gun out performs y gun BUT is only better when you change x guns barrel.

Also, for someone that claims to not be a PE fanboy, I ask that you check the "Find my content" link from your profile, and go down that list, and then come back.

never said i wasnt a fanboy... although i think the general ideal of a fanboy is X gun beats anything else and wouldnt even look sideways at another gun.... me personally i love DMs, BL's, would love to shoot/own a creed/quest/legend/chrome etc etc etc
what i was saying was do not belittle my argument by calling me a fanboy hoping that somehow makes my argument null and void....